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Loads of working class people including trade union members were vehemently anti-EU. Some well known union leaders life long anti-EU. (I know that’s not the same as them all adoring Farage)..

Are you in a constituency where the incumbent MP has it sewn up and you can’t stand the policies of that party? For example, imho Lucas and Kyle have that gig for life.

By stopping the record rainfall of course. Corbyn would've achieved that.

Burgon’s not good, he’s an inept car crash in interview after interview (see youtube), he’d be a PR disaster. Anyone but Burgon if we want an electable LP.

Very true about manifestos. I make the effort to look up those of the two main parties (not the waffle, but definitive policies eg taxation) and The Green Party's as I'm in Pavilion. It was one of the attractions to me in 1997 of Blair's Labour … the promise of Commons vote on fox hunting, I...

How can anyone argue with this bit of your synopsis: “they (with Starmer as lead advocate) reversed Labour's policy of respecting the referendum result and push for a deal that won't harm working class people, to a call for a second referendum that was always going to lead to defeat in the...

Thank God, no Burgon. The Tories, SNP and LibDems would be rooting for him.

The story has died as it has with an almost complete lack of interest from the media. With 5 years to go before Starmer or anyone else gets to the crucial poll, and just 200 MP's, no one here is scared of any Labour opposition. As a non-Momentum type and swing voter, I was hoping for...

See was the best of the bunch on Newsnight yesterday. Honest and consistent on their reasons for the GE disaster, how they move forward and very strong on LP anti-semitism. The others gave the impression of copying her, in a proverbial 'dick waving' contest on how they're going to equally...

“Free internet” ... that was a vote winner.

Singularly, many items on the wish list were liked. But voters deemed it not credible/affordable in its entirity.

All now want to be really tough on Labour anti semites and said they’d failed on that. Why weren’t they so assertive and open on that before the GE? Instead very defensive and whataboutism.

Nandy actually talking sense, spot on in her analysis of the GE disaster and very honest. RLB it is then.

Newsnight, just started, has the 4 candidates together for questioning. Nandy and Thornberry just said they knew all along that Labour were going to lose the GE. Thornberry said she told “them”, but wasn’t listened to.

Your resilience is remarkable. :smile:

aka snide bullying, especially if a differing political is held.

As long Starmer doesn't scrape home, but with Unite/Momentum/their sympathisers end up dominating the National Executive and policy making. Starmer would then simply be a friendlier face to exactly the same agenda as before, he wouldn't be able to be his own man with a plausible and winning...

A UK marxist revolution, dreamed up in an Irish Republic study. Frustrated that the overseas electorate heavily rejected Marxist Corbyn and McCluskey, so now hoping for civil disobedience and an uprising. It will never happen. The UK is inherently a conservative nation. For every angry 19...

Unite chose Burgon over Rayner, does that endorsement mean he’s a shoe in?

Starmer came across brilliantly on BBC Breakfast today. Personable, warm, and never stuck in the bitter class warrior tones of the charmless automatons RLB, Burgon, Rayner and Thornberry. As a floating voter, Labour under him would be of interest to me. But it would also depend on the deputy...