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Is that supposed to be an equivalence? Jeez, the ****ing state of our political discourse today. On one hand you've got an anti-semitism probe within the Labour party, so a candidate for leadership of that party, who has committed to expelling anti-semitism from the party, is dressed up as...

Did you just put a Hitler tash on Long-Bailey? Jeez, you're right, you're not a Tory, you're something far worse. Odious thing to do.

I agree completely, I like her. I just imagine that if the more left - wing people were going to vote for someone other than RLB, she would be the one they would be most likely to choose. I could of course be wrong, maybe they don't mind starmer at all :shrug:

Interesting one this. Starmer and RLB are the two favourites, but there could be a lot of left wing types among the membership who want to move away from 'losing with ideals' and might be concerned about RLB if she's got Momentum right behind her. They won't go for Starmer, Thornberry or...

Labour bloody well should be tough on benefit cheats. I never understand how we let the Tories win that argument. Labour created the welfare state, they should defend its integrity continuously. The tories just want to tear it apart, and turning a blind eye to cheats just gives them the ammunition

I don't know, NE Derbyshire flipped in 2017 (first tory mp since 1935) and returned a 12,000 majority in 2019. Mansfield flipped in 2017 (first tory mp since 1885 - well forever actually) and returned a majority of 16,000 in 2019. 16000 tory majority in Mansfield! Think about that for a...

If the working class do stay Tory, then we are going to see a massive realignment in the rest of the UK, with loads of southern seats moving away from the conservatives. It won't happen over night, of course, but never does the whole country stay united in politics, and if the working class are...

There is absolutely no doubt that the Labour Party is a coalition. Working class / unions; socialist ideologues; liberal centrists; one-nation types. Win them all and you get a huge majority; get a good leader and you can potentially win with just three of those groups (Blair's third victory was...

It does for the point I'm making because I know many people who didn't vote because 'what was the point'. They want to vote green but know its futile, they have better things to do with their day

To win, Labour has to hold a coalition together. With apologies for sweeping generalisations, the coalition is traditional working class /unions, together with liberal centrists who will never vote Tory but like the libdems and greens, together with what Boris would call 'one-nation Tories' but...

I have always agreed with this point of view - it is good to be represented by an accountable individual, it makes sense that they are chosen by and represent people 'like us', so we have geordie and scouse and brummie and manc MP's as well as southerners, it is good to be able to vote them out...

But if he hadn't done it then the centrist votes wouldn't have gone to Labour. We shouldn't forget that 53% of people voted for parties that had a second referendum in their manifesto. In hindsight, the election was lost as soon as it was called. After six months of fighting against Brexit in...

I can agree with you that the election didn't prove that the labour right or libdems are popular, but I will say that me and many many people I know would prefer a liberal centre-left government but lent our votes to the socialist left because, as you say, Labour were the only alternative to...

Its a fair point. Andy Burnham or Sadiq Khan? I'd do quite a lot to have either one of them become leader right now..

I like Phillips a lot, but its Lisa Nandy for me. She has the ability to unite the different factions, in my opinion, and crucially is a Leaver. The next stage of brexit will take 10 years or so, and having a Leave voting leader, who favours a softer brexit, will be able to rise above the...

I believe that the total number of immigrants in the Blyth Valley constituency is 45. No doubt immigration is a factor in some places, but of the voters of Blyth changed allegiance based on immigration, it was only what they read in the papers.

2005 35% 2010 29% 2015 30% 2017 40% 2019 32%

I don't know if this is aimed at me or not, as the poster you replied to was replying to me, but certainly I am not attempting to tell working class northerners what to think, there's none on here in any case even if I did want to! I just thought we had something in common in hating a lieing...

Well, many, of course. If peoples political views are a bell curve, most of us are in the middle. There will be a good 30-40% of tory voters just waiting for the right centrist party to emerge to lend their votes to it. Tony Blair 's 180 seat majority, swamping boris's current one providing the...

Many definitions of course, but to me the right - left divide is on an axis from Individual - State, and I think the current tory party (perhaps with the exception of boris himself) is quite far along that axis towards 'individual responsibility'. In particular I think they fall into the current...