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  1. J

    [Politics] Next leader of the Labour party

    Actually a split would be very advantageous - and it would be the left who would thrive without the shackles of the Blairites - but the Corbynistas are unlikely to adopt this road because they lack confidence in their own ability and in the ability of working class people to recognise the need...
  2. J

    [Politics] Next leader of the Labour party

    So you believe that the the nest way for the LP to win an election is to out-Tory the Tories With the exception of Ramsey McDonald and his supporters who joined a Tory government - the only people ever expelled from the LP have been left-wing activists - and they were expelled by Kinnock and...
  3. J

    [Politics] Next leader of the Labour party

    That is the case in most countries - when people feel some sort of financial security they tend not to rock the boat. When there is a period of crisis people tend to look for an alternative to existing political groupings. It is part of the reason why there has been growing support for Brexit...
  4. J

    [Politics] Next leader of the Labour party

    Yes - Starmer is a Blairite - he adopted a different strategy than others - quite possibly by agreement. Some, as drew says, threw their toys out of the pram, some engaged in smears, some went into hiding waiting for future opportunities and some, like Starmer, moved to influence Corbyn's team...
  5. J

    [Politics] Next leader of the Labour party

    I take it you have a counter-argument - or are you just mouthing off for the sake of it. I don't 'want' a revolution - I recognise that a revolution is necessary (at the very least to save the planet) - and after 40 years my toys are well scattered around the place.
  6. J

    [Politics] Next leader of the Labour party

    In this last election there was ONE issue - 'Get Brexit done' - supporting Leave would have changed the debate to what type of society Britain should have when it leaves. Parliamentary elections are all about momentum. In 2017 Corbyn was expected to take a hammering - yet developed significant...
  7. J

    [Politics] Next leader of the Labour party

    Making 'concessions' - concessions to what? I was talking about concessions that RLB will make to the Blairites - the exact same Blairites who spent four years attacking Corbyn and sabotaged the LP election campaign. But if you are talking about 'concessions' in terms of policies - then you are...
  8. J

    [Politics] Next leader of the Labour party

    An academic who has made a handsome living out of the 'race relations' industry - whatever you could describe him as, 'left' would hardly figure into it.
  9. J

    [Politics] Next leader of the Labour party

    You will be waiting for those ones - and that should be a bit on the obvious side.
  10. J

    [Politics] Next leader of the Labour party

    drew gave a link and I added another - the info is uncontested. Actually - there was constant debate, discussion, second guessing etc throughout the entire time - I was involved in some of these discussions. The purpose was to work out a strategy that could lead to fulfilling the election...
  11. J

    [Politics] Next leader of the Labour party

    Ah now - calling me a Spart - that is an insult. Any maybe you can indicate where I bullied anyone. It is there for anyone wanting to read the story of the socialist council in Liverpool - This one is also useful - http://www.liverpool47.org/ It is part of the story - the Tories cut off all...
  12. J

    [Politics] Next leader of the Labour party

    Between 1979 and 1983 the Tory government stole £217million in grants to Liverpool City Council - it was strangling the city financially. The Socialist council was elected on the basis of creating 1,000 council jobs (in a city ravaged by unemployment) coupled with a reversal of the 1,000 job...
  13. J

    [Politics] Next leader of the Labour party

    To start with - you will find very few militant supporters in the LP these days - the Militant was expelled from the LP in the late 1980s and early 1990s as part of Kinnock's drive to right the party of all vestiges of socialism. As for Momentum - well I have made my view of Momentum perfectly...
  14. J

    [Politics] Next leader of the Labour party

    You mean the Militant years where the socialist council built more homes that the rest of Thatcher's Britain combined - built schools, nurseries and leisure facilities and public parks in working class communities that were being destroyed by Tory policies, that created thousands of jobs, that...
  15. J

    [Politics] Next leader of the Labour party

    More than 55% rejected the core Tory offering So why not vote for policies that will bring about this result? Lansman isn't a Marxist - nor is he an academic - the best description of Lansman is a 'full-time political spoofer'. Britain is not a PLC - it is a country - and if you try and run...
  16. J

    [Politics] Next leader of the Labour party

    There are worse things you could be doing :wink: Why, thank you :rock: Ah here - :facepalm: I'll come back to the 'hard-left' bit in a minute - but rigid and totally inflexible opinions I do not have. I change my opinion on a daily basis on a whole variety of topics as a result of objective...
  17. J

    [Politics] Next leader of the Labour party

    Let's be clear about this - Blair never had mass support among the British working class (or middle class) - he had very superfluous support that ebbed away very quickly once people realised how superficial and lacking principles he was. Blair only survived as long as he did because there was a...
  18. J

    [Politics] Next leader of the Labour party

    The entire brexit fiasco had been dragging on for years - people were fed up and wanted it done and dusted. If Corbyn had come out and said that he was in favour of Leave, just like in 2017, then it would have forced Johnson and the Tories to debate what kind of a brexit should be happening (and...
  19. J

    [Politics] Next leader of the Labour party

    Yes - the Tories were in a worse state in 1992 - but what did Kinnock do? Instead of attacking the Tories Kinnock declared war on socialists in the LP, expelled hundreds of left-wing activists, including left-wing MPs and shut down CLPs around the country imposing right-wing candidates on the...
  20. J

    [Politics] Next leader of the Labour party

    Did you ever the saying 'oppositions don't win elections - governments lose them' ? - and 1997 was a prime example of a government that was always going to lose the election - no matter what the opposition did.

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