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  1. dingodan

    [Politics] ** EU Elections Poll ** - The vote that we never thought we would get!

    Everyone who voted, whether they voted leave or remain, voted on this basis.
  2. dingodan

    [Politics] ** EU Elections Poll ** - The vote that we never thought we would get!

    “Your decision. Nobody else’s. Not politicians’, not Parliament’s. Not lobby groups’. Not mine. Just you. You, the British people, will decide. “At that moment, you will hold this country’s destiny in your hands. This is a huge decision for our country, perhaps the biggest we will make in our...
  3. dingodan

    [Politics] ** EU Elections Poll ** - The vote that we never thought we would get!

    It does say it all. But what does it say? I'm sure to you it says something it doesn't actually say. Sums all of this up really doesn't it.
  4. dingodan

    [Politics] ** EU Elections Poll ** - The vote that we never thought we would get!

    No, I won't. Not because I would have any concerns about the result, but because nobody has any right to demand that the vote we had be rerun. It was said that it would be respected. Before hand and immediately afterwards. It's a matter of principle. It's not about the courage of my convictions...
  5. dingodan

    [Politics] ** EU Elections Poll ** - The vote that we never thought we would get!

    All the evidence suggests that there is. The only suggestion that there isn't is from people like you, who when presented with actual evidence and statistics, dismiss them. In favor of your own "facts". It's embarassing. Donald Trump would blush at the mental gymnastics and willful blindness you...
  6. dingodan

    [Politics] ** EU Elections Poll ** - The vote that we never thought we would get!

    The question was about whether any of Labours votes in the EU election should be considered to reflect support for a leave position. You said it was laughable. The reality is that half of Labour voters gave them their votes believing that they were voting for a party committed to leaving.
  7. dingodan

    [Politics] ** EU Elections Poll ** - The vote that we never thought we would get!

    Because it wasn't a referendum on leaving. When we had one of those, they did vote. To leave. It's pretty stunning that you want to ignore how they voted when the question was asked, but you hold up their not voting when the question wasn't asked as being important evidence of something. The...
  8. dingodan

    [Politics] ** EU Elections Poll ** - The vote that we never thought we would get!

    Not laughable according to Labour voters. An Ipsos Mori poll published last week found 46 per cent of Labour voters believe the party stands for leaving the EU, while 38 per cent said it was pro-remain. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8921901.html
  9. dingodan

    [Politics] ** EU Elections Poll ** - The vote that we never thought we would get!

    Really? You sure? or Wishful thinking? ------------------------------------------------------ There is, however, little empirical evidence of mass ‘Bregret’. Indeed, one of the most striking facts about British politics since the referendum is the reasonably consistent support for Leave and...
  10. dingodan

    [Politics] ** EU Elections Poll ** - The vote that we never thought we would get!

    You also have to ask yourself, who was more likely to abstain from voting in an EU election? People who want us to leave (and feel we should have left already)? Or people who want us to remain. The answer is easy. Factor those people into what this vote might say about how much support there...
  11. dingodan

    [Politics] ** EU Elections Poll ** - The vote that we never thought we would get!

    It's no deal or no brexit, and polls show that more people want no deal than no brexit. If we have a second vote, it will be no deal vs no brexit. The polls seem to indicate that given that choice, no deal would win.
  12. dingodan

    [Politics] ** EU Elections Poll ** - The vote that we never thought we would get!

    You are in dream land. The Brexit Party won hands down. & before you start playing the game of "remain parties got more votes", - On April 30th only 53 per cent of Brits knew that the Liberal Democrats were anti-Brexit...
  13. dingodan

    [Politics] ** EU Elections Poll ** - The vote that we never thought we would get!

    Massive minority? Hardly. It was the most popular choice when put up against remaining.
  14. dingodan

    [Politics] ** EU Elections Poll ** - The vote that we never thought we would get!

    A WTO Brexit is inevitable, unless a GE is triggered by a confidence vote. If that happens, then what I said in my post applies. Leave and remain seem to be essentially at the same place they always have been if you look at the polling. In the GE which followed the vote the Conservative Party...
  15. dingodan

    [Politics] ** EU Elections Poll ** - The vote that we never thought we would get!

    If Labour become a "remain" party, and Conservatives become the party which blocked a WTO Brexit, then both will get destroyed in a GE. Where will the votes go? Most conservative votes to the Brexit Party, and some Labour votes also. If Labour made some modest gains in 2017 by campaining on a...
  16. dingodan

    [Politics] ** EU Elections Poll ** - The vote that we never thought we would get!

    Here's how I see where we are. Assuming we end up with a WTO exit PM, there will only be one way to prevent it, and that would be for Conservative MP's who oppose that to vote against the Government in a no confidence vote. Those MP's will lose their seats. Those seats won't go to Labour, since...
  17. dingodan

    [Politics] ** EU Elections Poll ** - The vote that we never thought we would get!

    It makes me laugh that Labour are saying they want a General Election, and that they should become overtly for remain or a 2nd vote. Labour’s path to victory is through Leave-voting Conservative marginals 78% of [Labours target seat] constituencies voted Leave. While there are a handful of...
  18. dingodan

    [Politics] ** EU Elections Poll ** - The vote that we never thought we would get!

    The Brexit Party alone got 5.2 million votes.
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