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and Newcastle are their customary closed season clusterf**k.

I appreciate it can all change over a game or two, but it's nice to see 3 odds on teams in the market. Not so nice that none of them are West Ham, c'est la vie.

Because 15 people saw their performance last night. Looked at the astronomical (but correct) odds on their relegation. Thought I'll have a quid on that. Thus send their price tumbling down. The Albion are 22/1 for the opposite reason.

I've never been the most half full of posters. But I'm just struggling to see where the optimism comes from now the team has found itself in a wholly avoidable situation with a difficult path out.

No I'm being realistic.

I'll believe that when the team win a game. Let's face it though as a couple of key wins makes all this entire thread obsolete it's bloody stupid the players and manager still find themselves in this rather clenched situation.

The simple fact of the matter is we've looked like relegation candidates all season. Every single time the team has been 'one more win' away from relative comfort they've choked. But most importantly we don't, yet, have a recognised goal scorer and don't look like scoring goals. That's why the...

That depends on whether one of these teams has won a game, or even looked like winning a game, this year.

is doing a lot of heavy lifting in this sentence.

Imagine if after all of this we finished 11th. :lolol:

The bookies are aware of everything football, long before 'we' are. Unfortunately they're even getting up to speed with no mark sports like cycling.

I'm yet to see anything to suggest that isn't exactly what is going to happen. Only time will tell if they are any good at it.

You don't want to know, his was the most petulant, selfish, narrow-minded, 'i only want us to finish 10th' rant I couldn't work out if he was actually a Stoke fan or a 12 year old girl.