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And on that positive post, I'm off to bed!

But why not support Gareth and the boys when they at least try something new. It's not their fault that the old farts are in charge. England did play pretty well, but no-one could bring themselves to say it, just said that Germany were not trying, the national team are an embarrassment, and some...

No, thats not what I'm saying and you know it. Can you not find anything positive about tonight, and don't say it doesn't matter cos we lost, cos when Germany looked like they might lose, apparently that didn't matter. All this negativity just sucks the life out of me.

Only because you choose to be embarrassed. I thought that was an encouraging performance. Southgate (and I'm not his biggest fan) is prepared to try something new and the players bought into it and made it work. Everyone worked hard, but according to the sages on here it's much better not to...

I'm probably a bit heartless myself not letting people enjoy their gloating. ;-)

But why don't people support England when they're playing well instead of all the snidely comments?

The bad thing about the goal is not that we're losing but that it's given the haters something to gloat about.

Some people have a pathological aversion to praising England!

Tough crowd!

Shh! You're not allowed to enjoy it, all the big boys have said so!