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Very fair point, I did not look at it that way and England did play better tonight, but we really should have scored at least one. But it has been poor for so long not sure I can wait another 5 years and even then we have no guarantees that it will be any better.

Well I think we are, not in qualifiers but when it really matters. I know it's only a friendly but the Germans were not even trying.

The Krauts really are annoying though aren't they. Even when they can't be bothered they can still find that one piece of class to win, and it hurts even more as we have been really trying. Sorry, it's embarrassing, I would rather get stuffed by a top side trying to win.

I am not a gloater, but I am not surprised that we are up to our necks in gloaters, people coming on here and saying can we come on here for a gloat and boik saying oh go away you heartless gloaters.

England fans need their heads testing to go all that way on a Wednesday night for a friendly, especially when we are an embarrassment to international football.

But we are not beating them are we. As Germany are not even trying if we were winning 3-0 then I would agree. Embarrassing at the moment that we are playing as if it's a really important game, the Germans are not even breaking sweat and we still can't win. (Watch England score now) Edit: The...