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I wasn't there and have never been to an England match so I can't weigh in too far, but don't you think singing war songs in Germany in what was touted a new beginning for England, in a match which was pretty much a testimonial for a respected player of the game, well, massively tinpot and ugly?

http://www.football365.com/news/rating-the-players-germany-1-0-england I read this, then thought of your post. THE FANS: Yeah, this is an extra. But when you listen to several thousand morons singing about ten German bombers, asking the German crowd if they have ever won a war and chanting...

I'm enjoying this. We're pinging it about.

Now that Rooney is finally out of the picture I'm actually looking forward to this. Ali and Sane to score.

Yes.