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I would like to see a list of the other nations which have won 5 knock-out games to put this in some context.

This.

Brilliant article. I hope Mellotron has read it.

Elite sport often is

So England were not "proper poor" against the team which also failed to go through and against a team which had nothing to do but save energy for the knock-out stage. Just poor then?

This.

It's a pain when opponents pick their best players.

It was tight but I do not feel it was a particularly strong group.

I remember Crouch said that he realised he has made it when that bloke who starred in The Wrestler spotted him in Florida and did his robot dance. Says it all really.

I didnt.

But what evidence do you have to show me that "all of them, will come in time"? It's nothing but wishful thinking. Why do you think Wilshere etc will get better? If he is to become a player with the qualities you list then he has not got long before he is past his peak. A lot of other players...

I think it was more to do with them both not being good enough.

True. Steven Gerrard especially.

These players seem some way off similarly aged young players in other nations though. Walcott is 25, Wilshere 23, Sturridge 24. Other nations have players of these ages which are delivering on the world-stage already. I just have a feeling the three I mention will end up busted flushes like...