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I think you might be trying to argue a point with me that I'm not attempting to make. My point about Atletico was in response to something BoldSeagull wrote, not yourself. I don't advocate POMO-style hoofball as a means to an end, as like you I don't believe (in fact, I know) it will ever be a...

I wouldn't disagree with anything that you wrote there - and especially not with the very last point. You cannot play entertaining, fast, attacking football against a massed defence (as Liverpool found out on Sunday) any more than you can play entertaining tiki-taka against a side camped in...

Not a good example, really. Atletico Madrid don't play possession football (their % possession in the CL this season for example is 43%). Also, of the 4 semi finalists they are the one with the lowest pass completion rate.