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Show me figures of how many of these Chinese are not working in the UK, and the net migration of Aus and US and I will reconsider my position. At the moment I have no evidence to see an imbalance.

Have I not just explained my long term solution over the past posts? My theory does involve an element of competition as I have stated, but it is down to the individual if they see this a marginalisation or not. I do not.

And one final thing, as I really need to do some work today, I understand it will take at least until 2018-19 to stop EU movement of labour (the 2017 referendum then 1 or 2 years to walk away) . So your solution is not really dealing with the here-and-now either is it?

Refusing to see, or have a different solution to you?

Is it an imbalance? Romania are well down the list of immigrants at present. I have said before, it is topped by China, Australia and the US.

I trust you are not suggesting, by extension, that I also have no interest in the working man?

I'm sure about Romania but I imagine there are opportunities. There are certaintly plenty of other places offering opportunity if this is what you want. I know a heap of people who have moved abroad for work or to start a business.

This is an issue and I agree. If there is a minimum wage then there needs to be suitable safe-guards to ensure businesses cannot circumvent the rule. I see this as a seperate argument and one which is removed from nationality of workers though.

But my point is that you need competition. I do not agree with price competition hence my minimum wage argument. But using the 1.2m you mention as an example, with price competition removed due to the minimum wage, it comes down to a battle of who is best and most skilled for the job. There is...

For health we need a re-balance. With government help it is not too difficult to kick-start the manufacturing base for example. And you need to ween the economy off it's reliance on finance, big business and the services sector. Too many eggs in too few baskets. The government are more than...

A decent minimm living wage will stop un-skilled workers being priced out of work; then it will come down to who is best at the job and it will be up to the British workers to personally ensure they are better; there has to be impetus to better yourself via competition for jobs.

The Turks did not come to Germany as cheap labour. I believe they originally came due to a severe lack of semi-skilled labour in the 60s. And the guest-worker thing is not really much different to how most countries handle non-EU citizens. Of course my idea will take time but to me there is no...

I know this is a strange concept; the English answer to everything is BAN IT! But, making the British workforce more attractive to employers via a specific and rounded skill-set is not out-there crazy thinking is it?

That was the 80s. It's now 2014. Great program though "let's go for an Indian, you cannot get anymore English than that" :smile:

If you dislike them so much then leave. It is not a closed-shop any more.

I am actually in Germany...where they do EXACTLY what I have explained.

Sorry, did I read this correctly, YOU are a Union member? Why on earth are you a union member? You seem to despise unions? Am I missing something here?

I feel we both want the same goal, but we just have very different ideas on how it will be achieved; I prefer proactive methods as opposed to reactive ones. If you want to help the British working class then create a healthy economy with real skilled jobs and then train people to undertake these...

Maybe it's time for a rest eh? You'll feel better for it.

Thanks, plain tee, and stand at the side then :smile: I did try to see Misfits at the same venue but turned up a day late :dunce: