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And what about smoking? Can you still legally take drugs and have a fire in your car while driving?

They don't need infrared, we've all got lights on our cars that light up our number plates. Well, you lot do.

Exactly. Has Edna explained exactly how this loophole has been closed? No one said it was a target, but a limit should mean something, like a maximum safe limit given good conditions. The fact is that some limits seem a bit high, and others seem too low. If you advocate driving with common...

Oops :blush: I'm not good at staying under the speed limit, but at least I've never driven under the influence. That was more of a question (with missing question mark), rather than a statement of fact, but regardless, you said 'wrong again', so what was the first thing I was so wrong about?

I'm not sure begging would be appropriate, but if someone was driving unsafely, and killed/maimed someone, then they should face the consequences. There are many ways of driving unsafely, and some out-dated speed limits are not the best guide as to whether someone is safe or not. That doesn't...

To be fair to the rest of NSC, I don't think it's people, I think it's just me. I didn't say that. Some speed limits are lower than what is nice and safe, others are higher. The fact that you can drive at 60 on a twisty country lane, where you can barely pass an on-coming vehicle, while there...

Wrong again? Remind me of what I said as fact that was not. I don't. I try my best to get out of it, and when all else fails I take the pints and fine. Meanwhile, you can continue to think that some old out-dated sign is a better indicator of safety than your own judgement.

So you've been to court and argued that you didn't know who was driving, and you've lost. THat doesn't sound good. I've argued the point in several letters, and eventually they've given up. Never went to court. I asked for a picture to help with identifying the driver. I explained that I...

So you've been to court and argued that you didn't know who was driving, and you've lost. THat doesn't sound good. I've argued the point in several letters, and eventually they've given up. Never went to court. I asked for a picture to help with identifying the driver. I explained that I...

But saying it was you would be a lie, and presumably a criminal offence? It's quite naughty of you to suggest people engage in such criminal activity Edna. Your kids have literally no idea, as it was a busy day a they both drove a lot. 'They' might be quite surprised when you tell them :D

I make it a point to never know who is driving my car :D I have no respect for speed limits.

:bla: :bla: :bla: Edna said a loophole has been closed, what you're saying isn't the closing of a loophole, it's just the way you guess it would work. So your children are moving house and you've lent them your car. They're driving back and forth all day, and sharing the driving. How the hell...

He got done because his wife said he lied and forced her to take the points. hardly the same as genuinely not knowing. Actually, I am far more likely to fall asleep at 40mph, and kill hoards of people, than I am at 60mph.

Really - how may years back? Does the owner just get the points even though they know for a fact they weren't driving?

I'm sorry officer, I don't know who was driving.

Ouch. What was your average speed? EDIT - 47mph! Not that fast then. Surprised I haven't had anything through the letter box yet.