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Carragher, by way of the other example, refused to be IN the squad, because he was fed up of being dragged around Europe to sit on the bench, on the off chance he might be required. Crouch WANTED to be doing that. He was not picked for the squad, but was asked to put any other plans on hold...

No need to apoogise. I ALWAYS wear that cap. This isn't the same though...

It isn't though, is it? He has NOT turned down a call up. Its entirely different.

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No. Crouch declined to be on standby, after being left out of a squad, in favour of Defoe, Carroll, Sturridge, etc.

The entire point of this thread is whether Crouch has justification in feeling wronged, at being left out of recent squad.

And yet you are agreeing that it is correct that he was not included in a squad selected with the purpose of securing qualifying points against Moldova. Righto.

No, I don't think you've actually quite grasped this concept. RVP's goals DO all count because he is good, even if they are against Southampton. Messi's also all count, as he too is good. Crouch's and Barnes' (penalties) don't count because they are (in the eyes of some) not so good. Given...

Crouch goals v Montenegro = Barnes penalties.

Sorry Mello -we agree on pretty much everything football related, but not on this. The whole argument that Crouch should not be valued for his ability to put Macedonia and Algeria to the sword, simply because he can't score in club games against Real Madrid, is an utterly, utterly stupid one...

Stat-tastic! As an aside Crouch is getting a load of shit from Liverpool fans on twitter right now, because he has 'let his bird' write a column in The Sun.