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That is true, but they will be able to deduce from actual church attendance that the figure for genuine Christian believers is likely to be significantly lower than the 77%; so to carry on claiming we are 77% Christian when they know we are not is dishonest.

So, according to you, anyone who is baptised but no longer believes in God or Jesus is not a Christian. This means that the Church needs to stop claiming that 77% (or whatever the figure is) of the population are Christians, because many of this 77% are baptised but not practising or believing.

If you follow the argument, you will see that someone made the claim that an atheist doesn't believe in God, or in FOLLOWING ANY RELIGIOUS PRACTICES. I was merely pointing out that the existence of "Christian Atheists" disproves the point about ATHEISTS NOT FOLLOWING ANY RELIGIOUS PRACTICES. I...

Maybe crap was too strong a word, as I also enjoyed some of his writing, but the trouble is Lewis is held up as some example of the best of Christian Theology, and "Mere Christianity" as THE book on Christianity: however, Lewis was not the greatest thinker and in some areas he is now badly...

You'll rethink your views on the trilemma though, promise me. Lewis is to Theology as ..er..someone crap is to something else..:D

Try reading this for starters. His argument is rejected even by distinguished New Testament scholars like Tom Wright. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis's_trilemma

Unfortunately, a logically fallacious argument doesn't prove or disprove anything. Other than that though, it's perfect.

It wasn't meant to be a clinching argument. You can have that if you want it though. In this instance (the Lewis "trilemma") Lewis commits the logical fallacy of false dilemma (or trilemma), which renders his argument invalid.

But you missed the other OR - "A person who has received Christian baptism or is a believer in Jesus Chris"

Unfortunately, with this as with most of the things he said, Lewis was talking through his hat.

I didn't say they were Christians. I said they were Christian Atheists. If they follow some religious practice that is enough to disprove the point I was actually trying to disprove, so thanks for your help.

Oh right. So you've looked into it enough depth to dismiss those people already. Well done.

I don't think that's quite right.

If you can't be bothered to follow the thread, I can't be bothered to answer.

Read this, it'll help: Christian Atheist: Belonging without Believing: Amazon.co.uk: Brian Mountford: Books

Yep - you'll need it!

Er, no. a lack of belief in something is not a faith.

Sadly, this is also completely wrong. Atheism is about one thing only - God. Not "religious ideas". The fact that there are such people as "Christian Atheists" seems to contradict your point. As I said above, and as someone else posted, agnosticism is about knowledge, not belief. Thousands of...

Are you two related?

They did - they just didn't build the great wall of China.