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Fair do's then, you probably do work for them and I am sorry I didn't believe you. My point is that I know people who worked for the Border Agency who painted a different picture and who felt that their abilty to do the job properly was being compromised and getting worse. To a large degree...

I dont believe you work for the border agency and your making this up to support your point of view. Tell me your works dept number/location and section number and I'll check it against my recently made redundant relatives details. Your pay grade would be helpful to Do that and its right and...

And you have detailed knowledge of their pay and conditions do you? Pehaps they are not so well off as you or have a more difficult job. Just because your happy with not having a pay rise for 5 years doesn't mean we all have to be so pleased. Maybe you earn enough or have a really cushy number...

Thank you for your clear and reasoned arguement. If only we all had your clarity and insight so brilliantly demonstrated with those choice and so perceptive views. You really need to have another look at what you said and then perhaps appologise.

Because its far too simplistic for you to state that you believe that the people who work for the Border Agency don't give a shit and are only looking after themselves. They have suffered massive job cuts, a pay freeze for a number of years and are expected to carry on doing ever more for less...

:smile: Er yes it is!

Yes of course. Lets sack them all and get the good old Private Sector to do the job. Someone like G4S would be good and they only charge £53 million!