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Ultimately, and assuming just the top 10 are the teams in the hunt, then to get Europe we have to finish above 2 of Forest, Bournemouth, Newcastle, Fulham, Villa, Chelsea and City, and hope that neither of the teams we finish above wins a cup. If they do then we need to be a place higher

why would losing to City in the cup final 'guarantee us a spot'?

In the final reckoning the bigger clubs do tend to win out, size of squad, inherent quality, experience and expectation usually pay off in the final straight. I thus expect the CL five to be Liverpool, Arsenal, City, Newcastle with Chelsea grabbing the last spot ahead of Forest at the death. I...

Missed the chanting, yes. But I do now recall the 90th minute Elphick handball outside the box that they got a dodgy penalty for, that was very annoying. And smug was very smuggy, indeed. But I'd probably have to hate every club in the league if these were the criteria. Anyway, please do give...

Are we supposed to dislike Bournemouth? Dammit I must have missed that memo, feeling rather embarrassed now..... Please everyone give them an extra-loud boo from me tomorrow night as I've got 40 odd years of Bournemouth-hating to catch up on..... :lolol:

What's wrong with Bournemouth? I'm quite enjoying us three unfashionable 'B' clubs shaking up the premier league and finishing above a load of self-declared 'massive' clubs, and long may it continue. If we can't get Europe next season I'm happy for them to.