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It’s not perfect but unfortunately there’s not an ideal way of doing it. Unless we dumb everything down to the lowest point and give everyone everything, which clearly wouldn’t be sustainable.

It is true, the over 65 demographic is, on average, wealthier than any other (helped in large parts by higher home ownership percentage, much of which is mortgage free). That’s not to say there isn’t poverty within the demographic, some of it extreme, but in most measures they are better off...

Actually, it wasn’t. It was that the pensioner equivalent of the same ID was deemed valid but wasn’t for younger people. Unless there’s a universally available benefit handed out to non-pensioners which is not being means-tested but still being doled out to everyone else then it’s not really...

TBH if they bought back steam trains I reckon they’d clean up at the next five elections

Yebbut Johnson didn’t irk a load of American keyboard warriors by locking up some rioters, so who’s the REAL villain here?

Quite right. It’s outrageous that they’ve been in power for two months and haven’t sorted everything out yet.

Correct, it would be outrageous for a politician to claim that we should “let the bodies pile high in their thousands”, I’m sure you would agree?

Surely there has to be a means test that works? There must be a happy medium somewhere between “old people freezing to death in their bed” and “Sean Connery gets taxpayers money to heat his Barbados mansion”.

Would you prefer he’d said it in Latin with unkempt hair?

No. Then yes. Under the German scheme, the claims would be processed in Rwanda and the successful ones returned to Germany. Under the UK scheme, they would be sent to Rwanda and left there. Effectively deportation. They’re not really the same scheme at all other than they both use Rwanda as...

FFS can’t wait to get our arses handed to us at the 2039 cricket World Cup by Estonia

In news that will doubtless shock everyone to their core, turns out it's bollocks and not actually remotely the same scheme at all

If Germany want to waste billions on their own Rwanda scheme then that’s a matter for them, it’s their money and international reputation to throw away

AAAND STILLL

Why do you not think he will be?

“How dare they pay doctors properly” is a strange hill to die on But once again it doesn’t seem to be the Labour party having a meltdown in this thread

Realistically the country (including, it seems, NSC) is going to be unable to have a serious conversation with itself on immigration until it stops coming from a starting position of “so how much do YOU want immigration cut by?” It’s just weird. Nobody would start a discussion on Brighton’s...

It's an interesting twist I didn't see coming for the meltdown involving the Labour party to be among users on here rather than in the actual Labour party...

What a thoroughly patronising woman Badenoch is. Hope she’s elected leader, she’ll keep the Tories out of power for a generation.

Any sign of an actual meltdown yet?