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  1. Pavilionaire

    [Politics] Labour Party meltdown incoming.......

    Few things are as British as a government proposal announced as if it has never, ever been tried anywhere else in the world, eliciting extreme reactions for or against in the media based on knee-jerk morality. Whether it is proven to work or not, they are foreigners, we are British so obviously...
  2. Pavilionaire

    [Politics] Labour Party meltdown incoming.......

    To be fair, the Budget is going to up a load of tax that is going to finance Labour's policy changes. That said, the optics right now are the pensioners are paying for everything, and it's not a good look.
  3. Pavilionaire

    [Politics] Labour Party meltdown incoming.......

    I agree. Blair's Labour was a slick machine, they controlled the narrative and the agenda. Crucially, they were ahead of the curve, they could see the problem approaching from a distance and head it off in advance. This Winter Fuel Payment story should not be getting the traction it has, and...
  4. Pavilionaire

    [Politics] Labour Party meltdown incoming.......

    Starmer has spent a lot of time since the election on a diplomatic charm offensive to "reset" our relationship with our EU partners. Indeed, he has already met the German Chancellor 5 times in 2 months. You wonder how much time is spent discussing Ukraine and how much on the damage caused by...
  5. Pavilionaire

    [Politics] Labour Party meltdown incoming.......

    I expect Labour to win the Commons vote, for Winter Fuel Payments to be scrapped and for everybody to move on. However, Labour's PR chief needs sacking. To my mind, Labour should have had their Budget at the earliest opportunity, which would have been c. 12/13 September. They could have kept...
  6. Pavilionaire

    [Politics] Labour Party meltdown incoming.......

    Fair enough. I see your point, but I feel strongly that the system of taxation and benefits is all wrong, and the government are right to look to eliminate discrimination in the system. With computerisation now the days of universal payments of Child Benefit, Winter Fuel Payments, pensioner...
  7. Pavilionaire

    [Politics] Labour Party meltdown incoming.......

    I couldn't disagree with you more. This is about a £200 p.a. deduction in a benefit exclusively for pensioners - and given to ALL pensioners, regardless of their income level -for something that we all have to pay for - energy. What about the young people who fall just outside the threshhold...
  8. Pavilionaire

    [Politics] Labour Party meltdown incoming.......

    Most pensioners wil have saved some money, whereas most young people will have nil/ negligible savings. Therefore, the interest rate increase has meant while the young have to pay more on their mortgages the pesnioners are getting a shitload more interest. Indeed, for a pensioner with £10K...
  9. Pavilionaire

    [Politics] Labour Party meltdown incoming.......

    There is a part of me that feels sorry for him, as he IS getting better with experience but has just run out of time. He asked the country to judge him on 5 pledges, i.e. the absolute numbers over an 18 months period. That was a naive move and he has been hoist by his own petard. I think he...
  10. Pavilionaire

    [Politics] Labour Party meltdown incoming.......

    Another leader's Q&A session on QT tonight, the key takeaway is no errors from Starmer. I fast forwarded the second half of Swinney, he's OK but nowhere near as impressive as SNP Westminster leader Stephen Flynn. I'd say all 3 main leaders scored a solid 7/10, but for Rishi that isn't good...
  11. Pavilionaire

    [Politics] Labour Party meltdown incoming.......

    Plain speaking - tick Northern - tick Red Wall - tick Big tits - tick.
  12. Pavilionaire

    [Politics] Labour Party meltdown incoming.......

    I think this may have worked out quite well for Labour. Abbott can stand, she'll win, but she never proved that she'd been barred in the first place (if she had any sense she'd issue a statement stating there had been a genuine miscommunication but all was well now and she endorses Starmer)...
  13. Pavilionaire

    [Politics] Labour Party meltdown incoming.......

    Those polls presumably being YouNazi and Ipsos BORIS?
  14. Pavilionaire

    [Politics] Labour Party meltdown incoming.......

    If Starmer brings his skills as a KC to these TV debates then I - for one - will be enjoying an emotional connection as he forensically and surgically takes down Sunak, the Tories and the past 14 years of absolute grifting and chicanery. This could turn into Sunak in the dock under attack by...
  15. Pavilionaire

    [Politics] Labour Party meltdown incoming.......

    "The chance to serve is wonderful. but there comes a time when you know that it is time to leave. That a new generation should lead." Said Michael Gove last week. And he was absolutely right. If only Dianne Abbott had the good sense to retire gracefully, rather than causing problems for her...

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