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Well, there's always a hell of a lot of churn in squad personnel over 8 years, and sometimes you're not left with the players you want or need to lay down a template to go it with for every game, or every tournament. Anyway, it really doesn't matter who's in charge. Everyone in the country is...

Penalties only come down to luck if you don't prepare for them properly. Thankfully the days of the manager wandering around asking "who fancies it then" are now long gone.

Not arguing with any of that. And none of it will matter if we bring home the paella on Sunday. But just making the point that Southgate's England career has been under the hot lights of 4 x tournament qualifications + 4 actual tournaments (all overseas aside from the 2021 job), whereas El Tel...

In a couple of games afterwards, I'd agree. But we made desperately hard work of the scotch, and fluked it against the spanish. 2 games made a summer.

vs Switzerland - crap vs Scotch - crap (till Gascoigne) vs Holland- great vs Spain - crap, and lucky vs Germany - great Thats 3 out of 5 craps, which equals....mostly crap. But it was fun.

Agreed. Venables was only ever in charge for 5 competitive games for England, all of them at Wembley. And we were pretty crap in most of them.