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Excellent analysis though and interesting discussion - thank you 😃

Really is a matter of opinion. I’d say over 50% of those haven’t. And given we are talking PL, 2 possibly 3 of those listed. Gakpo could be, but hasn’t been brilliant to date and is struggling for a start - playing well for the national team though. Fair point on the surroundings, but as you...

8th is pretty poor (appreciate there are a lot worse), if you are playing in the second best. I would argue it played a significant part. If you play somewhere with more time, at a slower pace and with less intensity, of course you can look good. Even in this country, you can see the...

Agree. I always forget about Manu….. probably with good reason. He was appalling.

Will have to see… @Farehamseagull , appreciate you have better knowledge than myself on European football, but based on what I’ve seen over there and here, I simply don’t rate the Dutch league.

Bit injury prone?

Had more of a chance to read as was working, but I specifically was thinking about Beckenbauer, who started in midfield before dropping back.

Historically a ‘libero ’ plays behind the CBS. JP sat in front….. trouble is Webbo and Dunk had nightmares, but my point remains he has played as a CDM.

The performance was as per my other post not sure about JPvH specifically

But from memory JPvH was ok in a poor performance

JPvH played that role at Fulham (DCM).

Though when you look at the national squads in those countries, there seem to be a larger proportion playing domestically…. So possibly its not always the very best players that come here?

Sure you’re not mistaking Cody with Danny Gakpo?

Probably depends if you’re looking for potential investment or PL ready. I would certainly argue that other countries fair better than Holland in the PL. Must admit, I’m always surprised that teams don’t go after Serie A players, who always look technically better….

Have to agree again Van Nistelrooy was good as well…. Martinez a bit meh for me currently, not poor but at the same point as Gakpo, promise nothing more…..

Have to say I agree. I simply don’t rate Dutch outfield (😉) players in recent times. Even the expensive ones haven’t done well in the PL see Depuy and the midfielder United signed. In fact I’d go as far as saying in terms of already established players, Veltman is arguably one of the best. VVD...