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I don't think it's even possible for us to win it, as we got relegated.

Has Randy McMuppet come back yet?

I think he was talking to himself

I know what it is. Not exactly the first time it's been posted here :shrug: The point is, why were you posting it at that point? The argument went that we got an easy draw because we won our group (ie, we earned the easy draw). But Spain won their group and were rewarded with Germany and...

About as factually correct as saying that Southgate is a tactical genius

And we wouldn't have finished top if Denmark had beaten Serbia. Not exactly down to us.

Of course he will. He's nature's balance to those who permanently criticise Brighton.

You underestimate the skill involved in getting a lucky draw. If Denmark had scored against Serbia in the last few minutes, England would have faced Germany, then Spain, then France to get to the final. You think Southgate left that to chance? Don't be naive. It's hours and hours of training...

I didn't start going until 87, and it wasn't particularly bad at the Goldstone. I've never watched us abroad, just talking about being a football fan here. That's true, although I'd still be cautious about wearing colours in enemy territory on a match day. Yeah that happened all the time...

I can think of a few. Loz, Dougie, eagledan

That's an interesting thought. I can't say I felt marginalised in the late 80s and early 90s though (even if some out of touch old people held the view you describe).

You're the naked one, bottom left aren't you

I'd upgrade our performance against Switzerland to decent. They're no mugs, they never have been. They knocked out France 3 years ago, they drew with Germany this year, and they played Italy off the park. And I'd upgrade our performance against Netherlands to good. We played well.

You think that individually, what you're calling our golden generation, was better than the individuals we have now? I disagree. I think we have better players now.

That's not really accurate, given the success English teams (with predominantly British players) had in Europe. Germany were very successful on the world stage, and they weren't into tika-taka either. Whilst it's true that a lot of our players didn't have the technical ability of some of the...

But that's the discussion you're joining. In post #187 Harry posted a graph suggesting that Southgate achieved more, and I said I didn't think it was a fair comparison, and that in the few games Venables had, he did well. I'm not claiming he was the messiah, but he started well enough for...

Awful against Scotland, but beat them 2-0, whereas Southgate's team drew with them? Both times we drew with Switzerland. And that's your evidence for Southgate being better?

How many have we won under him? Wasn't the one against Switzerland the first? And we lost the final in a shootout, so I'm not sure how that's a good record. He's definitely done quite a lot right.

I know Clough's name is banded about a lot. I don't know or claim to know who'd have been the best choice at any given time (it wasn't my job to), but I know the choices were often awful. That they told managers not to play black players is beyond unacceptable. When we played Israel under the...

You're politer than me