Duffy

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Originally Posted by Megazone

I don't usually mention peoples thumbs up contributions so i do apologise but on that very anti webster thread where there's a strong contingency of Webster haters, I've noticed you're thumbing up every negative post about him and not one in his defence. Same as this one too. Why the need?




Websters a defender and yet the only positives you can mention are away from his defending (unless we want to include pace as a defensive attribute which is fair enough)

Have you not noticed some of the terrific blocks he's made this season? I'm pretty sure he made a great one against Muff in the 2nd half , right hand side of the goal, on the corner of the 6 yard box.
I'd say what he offers which Duffy doesn't is the ability to read which way the opposition player is going to go when running straight at him. He doesn't get his legs caught in a twist like we've seen with Duffy. This whole Duffy is great at defending corners isn't enough for me to class him better than Webster. Webster seems to have a much better footballing brain. Yes the mistakes are there but what do you expect from someone who's so new and fresh to this division not to mention the team? and like I said, he's only just turned 25. Give the guy a chance. It's not his fault the club spent big money on him, and that's what I think is the main reason people like yourself are so in support of any criticism of him.

Time to get behind the lad I say. We don;t want to ruin his confidence before he's even hit his peak.

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Originally Posted by Weststander

Apology accepted, cheers. Webster’s getting a shoeing on that other thread, I don’t join in, my worst ‘crime’ would be to praise Duffy at this time.

I have hope for Burn and Webster. I think they and Dunk, are all suffering from the rigid tactics, plus call me old fashioned but I feel so uneasy with the 40 yard gap between the CB’s and a lack of bodies defending so many times this season. Madness.

McBurnie, Jota, Grealish, Redmond, to name just 4 have revelled in it.

Not for me I’m afraid.

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I think you have this wrong Westander is pointing out his attacking strengths because he does not want to be too negative about the player. He was signed as a defender and to put it bluntly he is making too many defensive errors. Duffy might not be the ball player that Webster is but at times you need to be more agricultural and backs against the wall many and me included would prefer Duffy.

This board is great at turning people's constructive comments into the 'hate press' it's a board to discuss opinions.

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Originally Posted by Wardy's twin

I think you have this wrong Westander is pointing out his attacking strengths because he does not want to be too negative about the player. He was signed as a defender and to put it bluntly he is making too many defensive errors. Duffy might not be the ball player that Webster is but at times you need to be more agricultural and backs against the wall many and me included would prefer Duffy.

This board is great at turning people's constructive comments into the 'hate press' it's a board to discuss opinions.

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I never slag off Webster (but from afar watch the hoards that do), so I'm innocent of all charges!

Plus I never make things personal about an Albion player. Other than Akpom, who stole his wages ... tosser.

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Originally Posted by Wardy's twin

I think you have this wrong Westander is pointing out his attacking strengths because he does not want to be too negative about the player. He was signed as a defender and to put it bluntly he is making too many defensive errors. Duffy might not be the ball player that Webster is but at times you need to be more agricultural and backs against the wall many and me included would prefer Duffy.

This board is great at turning people's constructive comments into the 'hate press' it's a board to discuss opinions.

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I haven't denied Webster's making mistakes but it seems his mistakes are painting the illusion that Duffy was completely error free who gave us the solid back line many are claiming he will offer. I've mentioned some of the spnkings we took over the the last 2 seasons whilst he was defending including losing 5-0 to bournemouth, and coincidently those users who are pushing their opinions that Webster should be dropped for Duffy are completely ignoring those scores in this 'constructive comments' discussion, this include Westander.

Care to discuss any of Duffy's mistakes too if we want to keep this fair? We've only conceded 2 more goals than last season at the same point(i think?) whilst playing much more open, attacking football. Why do you think that is?

Webster is suffering from a lack of form but he isn’t half as bad as people make out.

Tiny mistakes jumped on..... if he had made that back pass to Ryan on Tuesday from the goal kick he would be getting bucketloads of abuse on here about it..... but as it was Dunky then no problem.

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Originally Posted by blockhseagull

Webster is suffering from a lack of form but he isn’t half as bad as people make out.

Tiny mistakes jumped on..... if he had made that back pass to Ryan on Tuesday from the goal kick he would be getting bucketloads of abuse on here about it..... but as it was Dunky then no problem.

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Dunky has a bit more credit in the bank

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Originally Posted by Tom Hark, Preston Park

Dunk-Duffy partnership saved us last season. Would go a very long way to doing the same this season, given the chance. Plus, having the battering ram that is Big Shane available at corners might well result in a couple of crucial goals between now and May.

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This, with bells on.

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Originally Posted by Cowfold Seagull

This, with bells on.

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This. With even more bells added...

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Originally Posted by B.W.

This. With even more bells added...

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This with less bells than the quoted but more bells that the previous quoted.

opinions flying off the wall here....

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Originally Posted by blockhseagull

Webster is suffering from a lack of form but he isn’t half as bad as people make out.

Tiny mistakes jumped on..... if he had made that back pass to Ryan on Tuesday from the goal kick he would be getting bucketloads of abuse on here about it..... but as it was Dunky then no problem.

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No he really is an awful, awful drfender. Line him up agaisnt some of the crap like Ashley Neal and Joe O'Caeruiell and he isnt far behind.

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Originally Posted by Tony Meolas Loan Spell

No he really is an awful, awful drfender. Line him up agaisnt some of the crap like Ashley Neal and Joe O'Caeruiell and he isnt far behind.

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Right ok !

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Originally Posted by peterward

We defend as a team, our record is inspite of Websters errors and others errors to, not because of him being great.

I'm with @DarrenFreemansPerm Duffy is by far a better defender right now, full international, much more physical, much better aerial presence, 2 seasons of PL experience

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This.


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It's a drastic change in the way we play. In a 4-4-1-1 there was always plenty of protection in the middle of the park and Duffy & Dunk formed an excellent partnership dealing with balls into the box. We now have fullbacks who attack more and a central midfield that move the ball further up the pitch meaning our defence is now exposed.

Webster does make some mistakes but so would Duffy if given the game time, equally Dunk has made more this season than last. It's all about progress and Potter is unlikely to change his philosophy because of the odd error

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Originally Posted by Perkino

It's a drastic change in the way we play. In a 4-4-1-1 there was always plenty of protection in the middle of the park and Duffy & Dunk formed an excellent partnership dealing with balls into the box. We now have fullbacks who attack more and a central midfield that move the ball further up the pitch meaning our defence is now exposed.

Webster does make some mistakes but so would Duffy if given the game time, equally Dunk has made more this season than last. It's all about progress and Potter is unlikely to change his philosophy because of the odd error

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Spot on. I'd add that we defend much higher up the pitch under Potter, and it's Webster's pace that enables us to do that. Dunk hasn't got much, and neither has Duffy, but plenty of our fans haven't quite twigged that we're now playing a completely different system to the last three where D&D did a fantastic job while, at the same time, over-protecting our defence made us utterly toothless in attack.

Has he gone yet?

If we are playing four at the back, then the CB partnership needs to be Dunk'n'Duffy.

Webster excels in a back three or five, with that added CB for cover.

In a 3CB formation, he works really well as Dunk and Webster like a forage forward, and oppo don't know what to do with a CB running at them. Leaves two CB's at the back. Not so good in a 4 at back though

I am not saying Duffy is mistake free, some have Bern terrible e.g. Huddersfield at home with cramp ba k pass. What I am saying is that he adds a physical presence that none of the other defenders (including Dunk) do. Some games e.g. Burnley you need strong CBs to challenge their robust play. Also playing out from the back doesn't work when opposition are good for a high press. CH was criticised because he didn't have a plan B , potter has a different plan a but again not sure he has a real plan b , I.e. he brings on similar players to tinker with plan a rather than change game style. Personally prefer to have different style players around. I would like to see Ben White back, he has done well at Leeds so time to take next step up.

Duffy not going anywhere. Arsenal sniffing around a centre back of ours and it's not Dunk, nor Duffy.

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Originally Posted by *Gullsworth*

Duffy not going anywhere. Arsenal sniffing around a centre back of ours and it's not Dunk, nor Duffy.

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Oh Leeds will be upset then :glare:

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Originally Posted by Psychobilly freakout

Oh Leeds will be upset then :glare:

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No not him. Believe it or not one of our regulars not someone on loan. Some on here would drive him there.





That's all I am saying

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Originally Posted by *Gullsworth*

No not him. Believe it or not one of our regulars not someone on loan. Some on here would drive him there.





That's all I am saying

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Possibly Dan Burn then, and that would explain the new contract he’s got.

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Originally Posted by *Gullsworth*

No not him. Believe it or not one of our regulars not someone on loan. Some on here would drive him there.





That's all I am saying

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I saw a while back that they may be interested in Webster.

The pitchfork mob could chase him up there.

I hope the rumour is nonsense.

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Originally Posted by sparkie

I saw a while back that they may be interested in Webster.

The pitchfork mob could chase him up there.

I hope the rumour is nonsense.

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Sad if true, I still can not fathom why people dislike him.

As you say the pitchfork mob sums them up, probably the same lot that still throw stones at the moon.

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Originally Posted by *Gullsworth*

No not him. Believe it or not one of our regulars not someone on loan. Some on here would drive him there.





That's all I am saying

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Will never happen according to the experts. Not only is he nowhere near good enough for us, apparently Potter is too stubborn and full of pride to stop playing him. He'll never let him go.

If we can get back the money we paid for Webster I would take it and look to bring back Clark and or White to take his place.

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Originally Posted by sparkie

I saw a while back that they may be interested in Webster.

The pitchfork mob could chase him up there.

I hope the rumour is nonsense.

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I don't dislike him and think he's actually doing a good job, but for £50M and half a pack of Toffos, he's theirs.

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Originally Posted by sparkie

I saw a while back that they may be interested in Webster.

The pitchfork mob could chase him up there.

I hope the rumour is nonsense.

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There is an article online by Total Football Analysis about Adam Webster being of possible interest to Arsenal.
Google 'Total Football Analysis Adam Webster' and there is loads of it........a scout's perspective on his suitability to play in Arteta's team.
Makes interesting reading and would make some of the Webster haters choke on their proverbial cornflakes!:D

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Originally Posted by sparkie

I saw a while back that they may be interested in Webster.

The pitchfork mob could chase him up there.

I hope the rumour is nonsense.

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He’s a good fit for Arsenal.

Confident, ball-playing centre-half prone to defensive lapses every game.

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Originally Posted by Psychobilly freakout

Sad if true, I still can not fathom why people dislike him.

As you say the pitchfork mob sums them up, probably the same lot that still throw stones at the moon.

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Always out of position. Cant head the ball (defensively), cant tackle and generally a weak physical presence.

Plus as Merry Prankster said on the radio his attitude after Bmths 3rd stank.

But because of one run out of defence people think he is Der Kaiser.

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Originally Posted by BLOCK F

There is an article online by Total Football Analysis about Adam Webster being of possible interest to Arsenal.
Google 'Total Football Analysis Adam Webster' and there is loads of it........a scout's perspective .on his suitability to play in Arteta's team.
Makes interesting reading and would make some of the Webster haters choke on their proverbial cornflakes!:D

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I will drive him there myself.

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Originally Posted by Tony Meolas Loan Spell

I will drive him there myself.

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Tony, judging by your history of quotes, that doesn't come as a complete surprise.
I dare say you would tie his hands behind his back, blindfold him and bundle him into the boot just in case he harboured any thoughts of escaping your demonic clutches!:down:

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Originally Posted by jonny.rainbow

He’s a good fit for Arsenal.

Confident, ball-playing centre-half prone to defensive lapses every five minutes .

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Altered a little bit lol

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Originally Posted by *Gullsworth*

Duffy not going anywhere. Arsenal sniffing around a centre back of ours and it's not Dunk, nor Duffy.

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Originally Posted by *Gullsworth*

No not him. Believe it or not one of our regulars not someone on loan. Some on here would drive him there.

That's all I am saying

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For sure not Duffy?

https://www.90min.com/posts/6544765-...-yes-seriously

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Originally Posted by peterward

Duffy?

https://www.90min.com/posts/6544765-...-yes-seriously

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If you read that you’d think blimey sign him up....oh.

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Originally Posted by BensGrandad

If we can get back the money we paid for Webster I would take it and look to bring back Clark and or White to take his place.

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The player to replace Webster is already in the Albion first team squad.

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Originally Posted by BensGrandad

If we can get back the money we paid for Webster I would take it and look to bring back Clark and or White to take his place.

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Clark isn’t even getting rave reviews at Derby. What makes you think he’s ready for the PL and better than Webster ?

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Originally Posted by BLOCK F

There is an article online by Total Football Analysis about Adam Webster being of possible interest to Arsenal.
Google 'Total Football Analysis Adam Webster' and there is loads of it........a scout's perspective on his suitability to play in Arteta's team.
Makes interesting reading and would make some of the Webster haters choke on their proverbial cornflakes!:D

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It wouldn’t surprise me. He’s a good player with a big future and much better than some of the ludicrous comments on here would have you believe.

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Originally Posted by Farehamseagull

It wouldn’t surprise me. He’s a good player with a big future and much better than some of the ludicrous comments on here would have you believe.

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Then he needs to start demonstrating it. So far after a relatively promising start, he has been found out.

Basically, he doesn’t like being bullied (neither does Dunk, but to a lesser extent - see Mitrovic).


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Originally Posted by dazzer6666

Clark isn’t even getting rave reviews at Derby. What makes you think he’s ready for the PL and better than Webster ?

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Thought Clark was a strange signing at the time, still feel that way. Not sure he’s better than Webster.


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