Tricky when they only have 30 seconds though!
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[News] Air India flight AI171 Ahmedabad -> London Gatwick crashed
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oldboyroy
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This. It really is quite astonishing
Indeed. Love flying and don't really give much thought to anything going wrong. More chance of getting struck by lightening in reality.
METALMICKY
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- Jan 30, 2004
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This is the place if you want read the opinions of people who are actually qualified pass an opinion.Tricky when they only have 30 seconds though!
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I'm not a pilot but thanks to this site I bagged myself a flight with Iron Maiden singer Bruce Dickinson who regularly posts there
When I first read this I thought you said "fight" with Iron Maiden singer Bruce Dickinson. Leave me out of that situation.
But if you want this thread bounced in 5 to 10 years let me know.
- Nov 15, 2006
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I’ve been on two flights that have been struck by lightning, contrary to popular opinion you can feel it and the lights flicker. Not much fun for a nervous flyer, three aborted takes offs too.
Nah, yer alright
RandyWanger
Je suis rôti de boeuf
The Samuel Jackson, Unbreakable movie came to mind last night. Still can't believe those videos of the lone survivor walking away.
Really not the thread for jokes. Please stop.
herecomesaregular
We're in the pipe, 5 by 5
This is the place if you want read the opinions of people who are actually qualified pass an opinion.
PPRuNe Forums - Professional Pilots Rumour Network
The Professional Pilots Rumour Network (PPRuNe) is an aviation website dedicated to airline pilots and those who are considering a career as a commercial pilot.www.pprune.org
I'm not a pilot but thanks to this site I bagged myself a flight with Iron Maiden singer Bruce Dickinson who regularly posts there
I've read that whole thread on there and in fact there are many statements from people on there that many of the posts are absolute bollocks...
Tom Hark Preston Park
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- Jul 6, 2003
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Another miracle escape
www.bbc.co.uk
Student Bhoomi Chauhan missed Air India flight by just minutes
Bhoomi Chauhan was running late and airline staff wouldn't let her board Air India flight 171.
www.bbc.co.uk
Tom Hark Preston Park
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- Jul 6, 2003
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About time that fruitcake @Albion my Albion got put on notice for constant trolling and bouncing of old threads. Adds absolutely nothing of value to any debate on here
Got hit an hour before arriving in Kuala Lumpur. Big bang, small jolt and a flash through the cabin, followed by captain calmly saying ‘in case you’re wondering what that was, yes we have just been hit by lightning…….nothing to worry about, plane is designed to take it’.
Easy 10
Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Interesting piece in the Mail today (yes, I know), with a guy called Julian Bray, an aviation security expert of 40-odd years who has advised on numerous air disasters. A couple of his takes:
1. The undercarriage still being down did not seem unusual or a factor, as they're usually retracted at around 1,000ft (the aircraft did not get beyond 400ft).
2. He was concerned at a puff of smoke as the aircraft was taking off (can't say I've noticed this on the footage tbh). Whilst whatever caused it wasn't large enough to rupture the fuselage, a small incendiary device strategically planted in the right place could potentially cripple the wiring and controls linked to the wing flaps, which had unusually remained flush on takeoff, when they should be at 5-15 degrees to provide lift. Pilots routinely test the wing flaps in their pre-flight checks. He pretty much rules out pilot error.
3. Bird strike seems unlikely, as neither engine was smoking.
Just as an aside re bird strikes. I'm obviously no expert, but is there any reason why some kind of thin protective gauze could not be placed across the front of the engines to prevent anything getting sucked right in ? I'm sure there's a very obvious answer to this, probably affecting thrust or something. Might ask my dad tomorrow, he was an engineer in the RAF.
1. The undercarriage still being down did not seem unusual or a factor, as they're usually retracted at around 1,000ft (the aircraft did not get beyond 400ft).
2. He was concerned at a puff of smoke as the aircraft was taking off (can't say I've noticed this on the footage tbh). Whilst whatever caused it wasn't large enough to rupture the fuselage, a small incendiary device strategically planted in the right place could potentially cripple the wiring and controls linked to the wing flaps, which had unusually remained flush on takeoff, when they should be at 5-15 degrees to provide lift. Pilots routinely test the wing flaps in their pre-flight checks. He pretty much rules out pilot error.
3. Bird strike seems unlikely, as neither engine was smoking.
Just as an aside re bird strikes. I'm obviously no expert, but is there any reason why some kind of thin protective gauze could not be placed across the front of the engines to prevent anything getting sucked right in ? I'm sure there's a very obvious answer to this, probably affecting thrust or something. Might ask my dad tomorrow, he was an engineer in the RAF.
- Sep 3, 2010
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Channel surfing the other night, I happened across a classic A-Team episode. In it, Murdoch and Hannibal are being chased by the baddies in a chopper (whose chief baddie was also Clarence Boddicker in Robocop). One assumes BA was passed out somewhere after partaking in some dodgy Unigate.
Anyway, After a shoot out where naturally no one hits anything, Murdoch pulls up sharply at the last minute but the bad guys aren't so lucky and go straight into the side of a cliff. Unable to afford a helicopter explosion, the footage cuts to some Bond helicopter crash footage they purchased where - a completely different helicopter - crashes, explodes into a fireball before falling 100s of feet and explodes again. It then cuts back to the bad guys kicking open the chopper door and dusting themselves down as if nothing has happened.
The bloke walking away from that plane crash.last night is every bit as ridiculous as that scene ever was. Absolutely incredible.
Easy 10
Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Nobody was ever allowed to die in The A-Team.
Stormtrooper-levels of shooting was standard, and anyone who rolled a car would climb out rubbing their neck.
Stormtrooper-levels of shooting was standard, and anyone who rolled a car would climb out rubbing their neck.
Get to enjoy the landings at Gatwick when I'm in the office, the amount of go arounds is quite high, I think I would crap myself
The professional pilots on PPRUNE say puffs of dust are entirely normal on that runway as the side of the runway is dusty and the wings of big planes overhang it. This video shows it as normal at that rotation point.
There are also ex Air India employees coming out of the woodwork to denounce their safety.
Yeah, it’s the Mail. Terrorism would be in their agenda’s interest, whereas damage to a company like Tata wouldn’t.
The PPRUNE guys are split between a twin engine failure caused by a full electrical failure (which is supported by the fact the in flight entertainment, air con and steward call failed on the previous flight) and pilot error.
Tricky when they only have 30 seconds though!
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This was on Facebook. This is so totally tragica beautiful young professional family with big dreams of a new life in UK, full of life and happiness, unbeknown of the imminent tragedy ahead
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I unignored all my ignored posters a couple of days ago. Five minutes later he was on the list again
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The consequences of issuing a mayday call is it instantly starts a huge chain reaction response. Priority from air traffic Control, all emergency services scrambled, all hospitals put on alert. It's definitely of benefit to do so.Tricky when they only have 30 seconds though!
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There but for the grace of God......
This is what is deemed as a no time emergency, you do what you can. The fact they even got a mayday call out in that 30 odd seconds is surprising, when you'd assume they were desperately trying to add thrust, increase airspeed or break what looks like a stall condition?
Aviate, Navigate, communicate is a basic rule of thumb for prioritising actions in normal or most time available, non normal situations like losing a hydraulic system or 1 engine.. I doubt that old adage entered either pilots minds yesterday.
If the wing is stalled it's not flying, you dont have lift, it's falling and you're not navigating anything
