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[Albion] Brighton & Hove Albion vs Newcastle United *** Official Match Thread ***













The Fish

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Jan 5, 2017
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It is weird and rather annoying how weak the Europa League is this season by contrast. Absolutely useless English sides Man Utd and Spurs have strolled it.
An unhappy consequence of the Champions League shake up. Where once some elite sides would drop into the competition and comfortably put away teams that've been as bad as Man Utd or Spurs, now the Premier League sides have such a financial advantage over the UEL sides, they're going to be odds on favourite every year, which effectively makes the UEL an extra Champions League spot for the PL and thus the financial gap remains.

Thought we (Newcastle) were pretty poor in an attacking sense. Couldn't get Isak involved as much as we'd like, and personally I think that's largely due to Joelinton being out. We lacked that presence in midfield. Thought Weiffer (sp?) was lucky to avoid the second yellow, seems Hurzeler (sp?) thought so too given how quickly the lad was hooked afterwards. A draw was probably the right result.
 




Kalimantan Gull

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Aug 13, 2003
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An unhappy consequence of the Champions League shake up. Where once some elite sides would drop into the competition and comfortably put away teams that've been as bad as Man Utd or Spurs, now the Premier League sides have such a financial advantage over the UEL sides, they're going to be odds on favourite every year, which effectively makes the UEL an extra Champions League spot for the PL and thus the financial gap remains.

Thought we (Newcastle) were pretty poor in an attacking sense. Couldn't get Isak involved as much as we'd like, and personally I think that's largely due to Joelinton being out. We lacked that presence in midfield. Thought Weiffer (sp?) was lucky to avoid the second yellow, seems Hurzeler (sp?) thought so too given how quickly the lad was hooked afterwards. A draw was probably the right result.

Not so much that Wieffer was lucky to avoid the second yellow, moreso that ANY subsequent foul by Wieffer was inevitably going to get a yellow card, so sensible to hook him. Plus we had two RB's returning from injury so was always a plan to get them on second half.

Yes, Isak was very anonymous, we've done well at marshalling him in all our games this season. A draw can be considered fair on balance of play, equally if we'd have held on it we wouldn't be begrudged the win, we defended very well and there was barely a shot on target from Newcastle during the whole period they were chasing the game. When it was back to 1-1 we had an equal share of the ball and created the best chance during those final 10 minutes. And we should have had a penalty when Tonali went through the back of O'Riley shortly after the second overturned Newcastle penalty.
 


The Fish

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Jan 5, 2017
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Not so much that Wieffer was lucky to avoid the second yellow, moreso that ANY subsequent foul by Wieffer was inevitably going to get a yellow card, so sensible to hook him. Plus we had two RB's returning from injury so was always a plan to get them on second half.

Yes, Isak was very anonymous, we've done well at marshalling him in all our games this season. A draw can be considered fair on balance of play, equally if we'd have held on it we wouldn't be begrudged the win, we defended very well and there was barely a shot on target from Newcastle during the whole period they were chasing the game. When it was back to 1-1 we had an equal share of the ball and created the best chance during those final 10 minutes. And we should have had a penalty when Tonali went through the back of O'Riley shortly after the second overturned Newcastle penalty.

Not looking to start an argument or anything, but that doesn't ring true with me so I had a look. 3 of our 5 shots on target came during that period. 10 of our 13 shots.

During the same time frame, you had 2 shots, one of which was on target.

Also, the Wieffer thing, he literally fouled someone, didn't get a second yellow and was immediately hooked. If that doesn't say lucky not to see a second yellow, I don't know what does.

It's all moot though, you defended well as you said, and we never really clicked up front, and so a point was fair because of that.
 


J2 DOG

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Feb 28, 2009
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There was more contact from Tonali on O Riley than there was between JPV and Barnes for free kick that led to that crazy handball. Still cannot believe that handball btw?
 




Uh_huh_him

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Sep 28, 2011
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Not looking to start an argument or anything, but that doesn't ring true with me so I had a look. 3 of our 5 shots on target came during that period. 10 of our 13 shots.

During the same time frame, you had 2 shots, one of which was on target.

Also, the Wieffer thing, he literally fouled someone, didn't get a second yellow and was immediately hooked. If that doesn't say lucky not to see a second yellow, I don't know what does.

It's all moot though, you defended well as you said, and we never really clicked up front, and so a point was fair because of that.
Weiffer was a bit lucky, but Pawson was not issuing any cards for fouls all game, so in that regard he was consistent.
Weiffer's challenge was significantly less of a yellow, than Burn's 1st half challenge on Minteh, which was given as a throw in to Newcastle.
 


Kalimantan Gull

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Aug 13, 2003
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Central Borneo / the Lizard
Not looking to start an argument or anything, but that doesn't ring true with me so I had a look. 3 of our 5 shots on target came during that period. 10 of our 13 shots.

During the same time frame, you had 2 shots, one of which was on target.

Also, the Wieffer thing, he literally fouled someone, didn't get a second yellow and was immediately hooked. If that doesn't say lucky not to see a second yellow, I don't know what does.

It's all moot though, you defended well as you said, and we never really clicked up front, and so a point was fair because of that.
Well, there's shots on target and there's shots on target - I don't really remember anything hugely threatening, the only big save from Bart was during the penalty incident, and one rather good tip over the bar. But yeah, obviously you were on top and we were backs to the wall - but did defend it well.

Wieffer - well, not all fouls are yellows. Tonali milked it for all he was worth, but the ref didn't see it as worthy of a yellow. But any subsequent foul would have seen him off, no doubt. No choice but to sub him then. Plus my blinkered Brighton eyes noted that there were Newcastle players not getting booked for delaying the restart in rather similar fashion to Wieffer's first yellow, so theres that too :)
 


Guinness Boy

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Also, the Wieffer thing, he literally fouled someone, didn't get a second yellow and was immediately hooked. If that doesn't say lucky not to see a second yellow, I don't know what does.

It's all moot though, you defended well as you said, and we never really clicked up front, and so a point was fair because of that.
I tend to agree. I watch in the main stand with my son and his phrase was 'he's getting hooked because he's on a yellow and three quarters'. Mind you, my son also called it immediately that Willock had dived.

And that was the problem on Sunday, you never knew what Pawson would do next. Burn should have had a yellow early on (that WAS right in front of us) and we don't even get a free kick. Weiffer, he gives the free kick so it has to be a yellow if he thinks it's a foul (on replay looked like he got the ball but followed through). O'Riley pen could have gone either way. Seemed to take an age giving your actual penalty having got the two previous wrong. And lots of 50/50s wrong both ways.

I've rarely seen a ref get so much abuse from both sets of fans, but he deserved it.

Overall though I thought we were far too unimaginative and allowed ourselves to be pegged back, particularly in the second half. Your finishing was rank poor. Even right at the end Gomez should have scored for us and Wilson for you. A point each is fair based on that but who knows where we'd have been if Burn was in the book early and / or Weiffer was sent off (at which point I suspect we'd have sat right back and tried to grind it out).
 




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