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[Politics] Donald Trump, US President
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nicko31
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Trump back on the Canada 51st state comment again, does he want Carney to win?
Brian Munich
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Wait until Farage wins our GE in 4 years time.
Don't think it can happen? Reform are only polling about 5-6% short of the percentage of the popular vote that electoral calculus has estimated they need for a parliamentary majority.
Marty McFly
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I guess I have something in common with Trump, in that case.
jakarta
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Carneys Liberals look like winning, well done Canada!
Quite the turnaround for the Liberal Party. Trudeau had become unpopular, and Carney undoubtedly appealed more to voters, but a LOT of this has got to be down to Canadians pushing back against Trump and his “51st state”/tariffs agenda. Great to see.
It’s going to be fun watching Carney against Trump. He’s a smart, straight talking and strong cookie and will not pander to Trump’s bullshit. He’ll out smart Trump at every turn, all Trump will have is his name calling and his “failed” prefix.
Glad he won.
Quite a feat for Trump to win both the US and Canadian elections like this.
highflyer
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Carney has won on the backlash to Trump. Not on who he is or what his internal policies will be. He's head of a party which is unpopular and he is very much a centre right, paid up member of 'the establishment'. He simply does not have the solutions to the problems that made Trudeau so unpopular. Basically hes's another Starmer/Macron/Biden (all of whom won with little real enthusiasm from voters, but via the path of 'not being as bad as the alternative'). Like those other centre right Western leaders I'd predict he's going to become unpopulular and potentially open the door to a far more nationalist/right wing options in future. All that said, the next few years are likely to be a bit different from the last few years, and an external threat can do wonders for a leaders popularity (see Churchill, Zelensky, Thatcher) so who knows. He may yet be forced into actions he is not instinctively comfortable with.
If you are anti-establishment, the profound failure of right wing populists like Johnson, Truss and Trump is going to ensure that establishment politics get elected in the west for generations.
Like all politicians who are 'around too long' Trudeau became unpopular. The fact that his party is going to win implies that it was him personally the voters got tired with and not the party and policies.
This is a shame to an extent, because the US could do with a Bernie Saunders.
It's quite clear he won (partly) due to the current political situation with the US. Looking at the turn-out it's without doubt a 'reaction', to both the previous government and anti-Trump sentiment. But, all things considered I'm pleased he has won and look forward to him dealing with Trump.
The changes once Trump suddenly started banging on about making Canada the 51st state in January are stark
fly high
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highflyer
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I really don't think Carney wins without the Trump effect. It sounds to me that Trudeau became unpopular for the same reasons that Macron, Biden and now Starmer became unpopular. Cost of living going up, salaries not keeping pace, the rich becoming richer, workers rights eroded, the environment degraded, the states ability to provide essential services reduced and a managerial approach to government with no obvious actions to actually change things. So I don't think it was just Trudeau's personality that caused the Liberals to lose popularity, as insufferable as he could be at times!
The collapse of the NDP and Greens is not good. And could actually play well for the Trump brigade long-term. Without a left opposition, the alternative to Carney (should my prediction above prove correct) will be a far right populist rather than centre left/green.
But all this assumes that the trends of the last decade is a good predictor of the next decade. Which it probably isn't.
The Clamp
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Well, no leader in any country is going to do well anymore.
They face problems that can’t be fixed or there’s no will to fix. Or both.
The climate. The 1%. Workers rights.
To me, it’s a given that humans probably have less than a hundred years left of existence and those 100 years are going to be filled with pain, fear, and unimaginable suffering on a global scale.
If we don’t blow each other up first.
So it’s good news that there is someone in Canada that will tell Trump to do one.
I suppose.
They face problems that can’t be fixed or there’s no will to fix. Or both.
The climate. The 1%. Workers rights.
To me, it’s a given that humans probably have less than a hundred years left of existence and those 100 years are going to be filled with pain, fear, and unimaginable suffering on a global scale.
If we don’t blow each other up first.
So it’s good news that there is someone in Canada that will tell Trump to do one.
I suppose.
The Clamp
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SorryThis is the kind of motivational pep talk I need on a Tuesday morning
Go get ‘em
The world’s your oyster
Give it 110%
Go you.
Marty McFly
Seagulls Over Canada
BBassic
I changed this.
- Jul 28, 2011
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I didn't apologise but in the weeks immediately following the Brexit vote I found myself in a bar in Berlin explaining to some locals that I too had no idea why the country was doing it had decided to do.