[News] A woman is a woman.

The Clamp said:

Even ancient tribes had men who opted out of masculine life and kept camp with the females. And women who took up the spear and joined the men for hunts.

It didn’t go to court because nobody gave a f***. If you were that way, you were that way.

The world’s always been f***ing nuts. It’s just that now people care too much about what other people do.

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dsr-burnley said:

And it's 80 years since Enid Blyton wrote a series of books about a girl who was so determined that she wanted to be a boy that she wore boys' clothes and used a boy's name, and it wasn't remotely controversial.

If that was what the trans lobby wanted, there wouldn't be much pushback. If people who look like women want to use the women's toilets, there wouldn't be much pushback. It's because they want trans women to play women's sport at the complete abolition of fairness, it's because they want male rapists in women's prisons, it's because they want medical records to be based on what is in a person's brain so they don't even record whether the person should be called for a prostate test or a cervical test. The trans lobby, or some of them, are asking for nonsensical things and so of course they are getting stick.

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The Clamp said:

I don’t know much about the trans lobby, to be fair.

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Titanic said:

Ruling says the concept of sex is binary​

In an 88-page ruling, Lord Hodge, Lady Rose and Lady Simler said: "The definition of sex in the Equality Act 2010 makes clear that the concept of sex is binary, a person is either a woman or a man.

"Persons who share that protected characteristic for the purposes of the group-based rights and protections are persons of the same sex and provisions that refer to protection for women necessarily exclude men.

"Although the word 'biological' does not appear in this definition, the ordinary meaning of those plain and unambiguous words corresponds with the biological characteristics that make an individual a man or a woman.

"These are assumed to be self-explanatory and to require no further explanation.

"Men and women are on the face of the definition only differentiated as a grouping by the biology they share with their group."

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mile oak said:

Im still trying to find the ones outside that dissapeared.

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Razzoo said:

2025 and we require a judge to state the bleeding obvious. Clownish.

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dsr-burnley said:

And it's 80 years since Enid Blyton wrote a series of books about a girl who was so determined that she wanted to be a boy that she wore boys' clothes and used a boy's name, and it wasn't remotely controversial.

If that was what the trans lobby wanted, there wouldn't be much pushback. If people who look like women want to use the women's toilets, there wouldn't be much pushback. It's because they want trans women to play women's sport at the complete abolition of fairness, it's because they want male rapists in women's prisons, it's because they want medical records to be based on what is in a person's brain so they don't even record whether the person should be called for a prostate test or a cervical test. The trans lobby, or some of them, are asking for nonsensical things and so of course they are getting stick.

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The Clamp said:

I will add, and it won’t be popular but the proliferation of specific foreign cultures in U.K. society has had a negative impact on attitudes to women and the LGBTQ community .

It’s by no means the only cause but it’s more significant than many people care to admit. Or face.

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Hugo Rune said:

They taken a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

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Cheggers said:

I can't see the wood for trees.

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dsr-burnley said:

And it's 80 years since Enid Blyton wrote a series of books about a girl who was so determined that she wanted to be a boy that she wore boys' clothes and used a boy's name, and it wasn't remotely controversial.

If that was what the trans lobby wanted, there wouldn't be much pushback. If people who look like women want to use the women's toilets, there wouldn't be much pushback. It's because they want trans women to play women's sport at the complete abolition of fairness, it's because they want male rapists in women's prisons, it's because they want medical records to be based on what is in a person's brain so they don't even record whether the person should be called for a prostate test or a cervical test. The trans lobby, or some of them, are asking for nonsensical things and so of course they are getting stick.

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BadFish said:

I am never sure who this trans lobby is and where they are asking for the things you mention here. Can you point me in the direction of the anti trans lobby and their requests for such things?

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BadFish said:

I am never sure who this trans lobby is and where they are asking for the things you mention here. Can you point me in the direction of the anti trans lobby and their requests for such things? It is so hard to understand what the trans community are asking for when we are only presented with their arguments both second hand and at the hand of those with an agenda.

I only ever see these arguments presented by those with an anti trans agenda, so its hard to know the nuance of these apparent requests.

The other thing that confuses me about this 'debate' is why decent and reasonable people allow it to be dominated by the fringes. Surely, all the things you are concerned about here are fairly easily discussed by those who need to make decisions on the matter.

The weaponisation of this debate is something that makes me both angry and highly suspicious of people's motives.

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DJ NOBO said:

Can you define anti trans agenda ?

Only there’s a very big difference between hating trans people because of their life choices , and not agreeing that a man can become a woman .

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Curious Orange said:

I think it's been mostly Stonewall in this country, hasn't it?

I have similar difficulties understanding what the 'trans community' is to be honest, as it seems to be just about anyone who says they are whether they have anything in common or not. For example I'm pretty sure if I had a dysmorphia to the degree that I needed to undergo years of psychiatric help, and then undergo extreme cosmetic surgery and live the rest of my life sterile and medicalised, I wouldn't want to be lumped in the same grouping as people with autogynephilia.

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dsr-burnley said:

And it's 80 years since Enid Blyton wrote a series of books about a girl who was so determined that she wanted to be a boy that she wore boys' clothes and used a boy's name, and it wasn't remotely controversial.

If that was what the trans lobby wanted, there wouldn't be much pushback. If people who look like women want to use the women's toilets, there wouldn't be much pushback. It's because they want trans women to play women's sport at the complete abolition of fairness, it's because they want male rapists in women's prisons, it's because they want medical records to be based on what is in a person's brain so they don't even record whether the person should be called for a prostate test or a cervical test. The trans lobby, or some of them, are asking for nonsensical things and so of course they are getting stick.

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dsr-burnley said:

And it's 80 years since Enid Blyton wrote a series of books about a girl who was so determined that she wanted to be a boy that she wore boys' clothes and used a boy's name, and it wasn't remotely controversial.

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superseagull1994 said:

What trans people want is to not be outed by their official documentation, for their drivers licence and passports to have the F,M or X that they identify with and present as. Of course medical records should be accurate to what the needs and risks that a persons body is likely to face are, but why can't we have our names and gender markers changed so that we aren't getting misgendered or misnamed?

Right I'm going to tackle the womens sport topic. Its culture war bullshit. Transwomen are banned from competitive womens chess, what competitive advantage do we possess in chess there is no its a political decision with influence from Russia. Do pre-hrt trans women have advantages over cis women absolutely, do trans women who have gone through medical transition have been taking T blockers and estrogen for years have those advatages? No we are actually at a disadvatage at this stage (1) and the FA is the only mainstream sporting body that has a sensible policy in this regard (2).

Sources:
(1) https://www.gendergp.com/new-report...not-have-biomedical-advantage-in-elite-sport/
(2) https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c4g7e81nn57o

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BadFish said:

One thing that all the people I know or know of that fall into the community agree on is that they do not want to be in the middle of the culture wars.

The fact that this is where a community of already vulnerable people have been put is nothing but a travesty.

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superseagull1994 said:

To my mind its coming from the US and Russia where we are the target of religious nuts and a convenient scapegoat for a despotic regime respectively.

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