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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)







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raymondo

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I expect these meetings will discuss key topics, although I almost thought 'who gives a toss '. Politely (or not) tell them what you think, Macron!
At least Witkoff the piece of shit is visiting an eu country...he may even visit Ukraine one day.
 






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raymondo

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Eric the meek said:
I think you're right on the last point. The momentum or speed has taken many by surprise.

But there is going to be some pushback, like there has been with the tariffs, leading to retreat on some fronts.

Think back to the insanity of the Rwanda plan. That ended badly for the Tories.
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I'm sure you're right that there will be pushback but what form will that take to be meaningful,?
Maybe some ICE guys being beaten up/killed even,as they try to grab someone for deportation to El Salvador?
I think it has to be something like that - I just don't see the judiciary or Congress having the will, means, backbone(they need all three) to act against Trump .
 








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raymondo said:
I'm sure you're right that there will be pushback but what form will that take to be meaningful,?
Maybe some ICE guys being beaten up/killed even,as they try to grab someone for deportation to El Salvador?
I think it has to be something like that - I just don't see the judiciary or Congress having the will, means, backbone(they need all three) to act against Trump .
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You're asking the right questions, to which I don't have an answer. Or nothing specific anyway.

I go back to the pushback on the tariffs, and how the bond market yields rising seemed to spook Trump, and caused him to initiate a partial retreat of the tariffs. It is unlikely there will be anything financial that which would cause a similar volte-face, but I see his popularity ratings are falling.

Perhaps it will be an organic process. But a series of travesties of justice splashed across the headlines might just be the thing to cause a tariff-like panicky retreat.

i know it's wishful thinking, but El Salvador has echoes of Rwanda. The champions of that terrific scheme are now in the wilderness.
 






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crookie

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raymondo said:
Seems to be behind a paywall 🤔
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Oh, maybe, I always find I can read one DT article free per day. He's basically saying a few tactical nuclear weapons are worth far more than rebuilding a large field army. What if Russia nuked the Suwalki Gap and took out our army. Would we let him have the Baltics in that case. We gave up ours in the 90's, France has a few, but without being able to count on the US, would make sense, if we could, to build our own again as deterrence
 


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raymondo

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Eric the meek said:
You're asking the right questions, to which I don't have an answer. Or nothing specific anyway.

I go back to the pushback on the tariffs, and how the bond market yields rising seemed to spook Trump, and caused him to initiate a partial retreat of the tariffs. It is unlikely there will be anything financial that which would cause a similar volte-face, but I see his popularity ratings are falling.

Perhaps it will be an organic process. But a series of travesties of justice splashed across the headlines might just be the thing to cause a tariff-like panicky retreat.

i know it's wishful thinking, but El Salvador has echoes of Rwanda. The champions of that terrific scheme are now in the wilderness.
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Yes, the bond markets (and countries actions or threatened actions in them ( certainly made the US pull back.

I'm sure you're right that something will happen to counter the flouting of the rule of law, even if it's not at all clear at the moment.
 




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raymondo

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crookie said:
Oh, maybe, I always find I can read one DT article free per day. He's basically saying a few tactical nuclear weapons are worth far more than rebuilding a large field army. What if Russia nuked the Suwalki Gap and took out our army. Would we let him have the Baltics in that case. We gave up ours in the 90's, France has a few, but without being able to count on the US, would make sense, if we could, to build our own again as deterrence
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Ok thanks for the summary, maybe i used my free article this morning - I'll look again in the morning 👍
 












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Sirnormangall

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Eric the meek said:
Ukraine seems to have good intelligence to achieve targeted strikes after an attack. And probably after the war is over.

Note that Shuya is 300 km to the north east of Moscow. So Moscow is easily within reach of this kind of operation.
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Great to see again Ukraine’s reach and their ability to take the war into Russia. It’s important that Russian citizens know that the war isn’t something that’s happening hundreds of miles away and won’t affect them. Shuya is uncomfortably close to Moscow
 






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raymondo

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Eric the meek said:
Date for your diaries - May 9 Moscow victory day parade. There won't be a victory as such, nor many tanks or supply vehicles, but there will be donkeys, mules, scooters, North Koreans and Chinese mercenaries.
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I'm hoping for a number of Ukrainian drones buzzing the ceremony, chasing Putin et al even - being shot at by Russian police. I can dream...🛩️
 




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