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[Albion] Amex stadium cost



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Not Andy Naylor said:
Everton's new ground will surely be the first to be lost to rising sea levels. Probably followed by St Mary's, Blundell Park and maybe Fratton. Portman Road can't be far away either, nor Charlton. Fulham might escape thanks to the Thames Barrier. The Amex should be safe for decades.
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And the monorail will still be able to operate as a train too when the waters rise that far up.
 




BrightonCottager

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Skuller said:
I’m no expert but not sure about that. Firstly, there are flood gates on all under-Thames tube-lines. Also, the Thames barrier claims to be able to let downstream water out even when shut (can’t for the life of me work out how).
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I know that the Barrier is being closed a lot more than it was originally designed for because of rising sea levels and more water coming down the Thames. The barriers are like a gas tap. When they are fully open, they are flush to the River bed, then they can be twisted round to obstruct flows partially or wholly. As saltwater is lighter than fresh water, the barrier could be theoretically be left open at the bottom, allowing the fresh water out, while stopping the briny from coming in until the force of the tide causes a tidal lock (like in Lewes in 2000). The people who operate the TB rely on a lot of river gauges up and down the river, modelling of flows and skill to tweak the opening and closing.
To address one of @Not Andy Naylor 's points, the EA has been trying to create flood storage upstream for years - that's what the Jubilee River is , and the proposed River Thames scheme near the M25. But getting suitable land is difficult.
 


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Not Andy Naylor said:
Everton's new ground will surely be the first to be lost to rising sea levels. Probably followed by St Mary's, Blundell Park and maybe Fratton. Portman Road can't be far away either, nor Charlton. Fulham might escape thanks to the Thames Barrier. The Amex should be safe for decades.
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So does that mean that eventually West Brom will be the last club left?
 


US Seagull

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BrightonCottager said:
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According to Climate Central (a very simple model), Everton's new stadium will be threatened by 1m of sea level rise ie by end of this century, roughly. However, when they were granted permission, they would have had to model sea level rise and make it 'safe' for its intended lifetime, which would have meant increasing floor levels, putting flood barriers in etc. The older the stadium, the less precautionary those assumptions about future flooding are. Also, over the years, property owners tend to increase vulnerability themselves, like converting garages to living accommodation, putting electrical and data plant at basement / ground floor etc.

As far as construction costs are concerned, you also need to factor in the cost of the land which for the Amex was £1, if I recall correctly. I'll let you judge whether that was better value than, say, the Council selling it for millions to a housing developer!
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They can always convert it to host water polo.
 


Winker

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BrightonCottager said:
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According to Climate Central (a very simple model), Everton's new stadium will be threatened by 1m of sea level rise ie by end of this century, roughly. However, when they were granted permission, they would have had to model sea level rise and make it 'safe' for its intended lifetime, which would have meant increasing floor levels, putting flood barriers in etc. The older the stadium, the less precautionary those assumptions about future flooding are. Also, over the years, property owners tend to increase vulnerability themselves, like converting garages to living accommodation, putting electrical and data plant at basement / ground floor etc.

As far as construction costs are concerned, you also need to factor in the cost of the land which for the Amex was £1, if I recall correctly. I'll let you judge whether that was better value than, say, the Council selling it for millions to a housing developer!
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'Titanic Hotel'? They should be used to getting their feet wet and the Friends of Allonby Canoe Club will be just fine.
 




maresfield seagull

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£100M often quoted But wasn’t that the four main stands ?
The corners being filled afterwards surely would add additional costs
 


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Stumpy Tim said:
I don't believe they're building it in the US, so I doubt it
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But if they MOVED the stadium to US there would be no biggly tariffs
 


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maresfield seagull said:
£100M often quoted But wasn’t that the four main stands ?
The corners being filled afterwards surely would add additional costs
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Almost exactly £100m was the spend by 2011/12 per the accounts, this would include fitting out and substantial costs in planning including lawyers over many years. In addition to that, the club paid a £5.3m lease premium to the land freeholders … Brighton Uni and/or BHCC?

Yes just the original circa 21,500.
 




Perry's Tracksuit Bottoms

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Not Andy Naylor said:
Everton's new ground will surely be the first to be lost to rising sea levels. Probably followed by St Mary's, Blundell Park and maybe Fratton. Portman Road can't be far away either, nor Charlton. Fulham might escape thanks to the Thames Barrier. The Amex should be safe for decades.
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As someone who used to slog up the steep hill from the Greenwich line every day, I thought that can't possibly be right. And indeed it's not - The Valley is actually 14.9 metres above sea level.

A while back a regular at Blundell Park put together a list:

 
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Official Old Man

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I wonder what TB would change if we built the stadium today?
To be honest, having visited most EPL clubs, nothing much. The concourse is bigger than most others and the seating is perfect. So go upwards at either end adding more seats? But when it was planned was European football even dreamt about? A 50,000 all seater stadium after playing at Withdean would have been a joke, mind you we struggle to sell out 31,000.
So as it is I think we have the perfect stadium for our little club.
 




Not Andy Naylor

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Perry's Tracksuit Bottoms said:
As someone who used to slog up the steep hill from the Greenwich line every day, I thought that can't possibly be right. And indeed it's not - The Valley is actually 14.9 metres above sea level.

A while back a regular at Blundell Park put together a list:

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Interesting. I'm surprised by The Valley being so high as you always seem to be going further downhill than uphill to get there.
 


Hudson Hawk

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Official Old Man said:
I wonder what TB would change if we built the stadium today?
To be honest, having visited most EPL clubs, nothing much. The concourse is bigger than most others and the seating is perfect. So go upwards at either end adding more seats? But when it was planned was European football even dreamt about? A 50,000 all seater stadium after playing at Withdean would have been a joke, mind you we struggle to sell out 31,000.
So as it is I think we have the perfect stadium for our little club.
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I agree with the only caveat being i wish the north stand was bigger.
 


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The Grockle said:
I just read on twitter that Evertons stadium cost will likely exceed 800 million and could push 1bn. It looks like another incredible ground but not up to the standard of Tottenham's IMO. It's an eye watering amount of money.

It got me thinking what the Amex would cost to build today.

I think the total cost was 105 million which using the CPI inflation data would exceed 150 million in todays money. Add the fact construction costs have gone up 46% between 2014 and 2024 and that brings it up to at least 220 million.

Would Bloom get much change out of 300/400 million in today's money?
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i'd guess 80/180 million if your calculations are correct
 




Triggaaar

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The Grockle said:
I think the total cost was 105 million which using the CPI inflation data would exceed 150 million in todays money. Add the fact construction costs have gone up 46% between 2014 and 2024 and that brings it up to at least 220 million.
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You can't add the CPI inflation figure to the construction cost increase, it's the same type of thing. CPI increases includes construction cost increases.
 
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