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One Teddy Maybank

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It's not early entry that's the main selling point of staying at Hard Rock, as well as the Royal Pacific Resort and Portofino Bay Resorts. Even the cheapest Universal hotels - and Endless Summer costs around a quarter, or less, of a night in the HR, RPR and PBR - come with early entry, it's the unlimited Express you get at the premium hotels.

We're annual pass holders at Universal Orlando (although we're letting the passes lapse as visits are now trickier) and always stay on-site, principally for the convenience of being able to walk to and from the parks, which also means no one has to drive home after some drinks in the parks and/or CityWalk.

We actually attach little value to early entry because it's Islands of Adventure only and then just Hagrid's, Velocoaster and Forbidden Journey. During school holidays at least, unless you get to the gates very early, ie a good 30-45 minutes ahead of the start of early entry, you'll just be behind a lot of other on-site guests most of whom are heading for Hagrid's meaning you spend 60-90 minutes waiting for that.

If you're not in one of the three posh hotels, so don't have unlimited express, it can work if you want to get on Velocicoaster once or twice with minimal waits.
It was for us at the time 10 years ago, when it first opened. 👍
Not sure that was the case then re the cheaper ones….?
 


dazzer6666

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There's no doubt that the Universal parks in the States are immense (I've been to both Florida and California) BUT I think that is unfair. With Universal, the queues are far, far worse than you'll ever see at our parks (and they are bad enough) UNLESS you literally drop hundreds of pounds on their queue beating passes.

In Florida, we paid for their fast track passes because we were on holiday, but it did leave a bitter taste in the mouth. It didn't make me feel good having a 15 minute wait rather than a 2 hour wait for rides. Money talks in the States more than anywhere else.
I was more referring to ride quality than anything else
 


dazzer6666

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It's not early entry that's the main selling point of staying at Hard Rock, as well as the Royal Pacific Resort and Portofino Bay Resorts. Even the cheapest Universal hotels - and Endless Summer costs around a quarter, or less, of a night in the HR, RPR and PBR - come with early entry, it's the unlimited Express you get at the premium hotels.

We're annual pass holders at Universal Orlando (although we're letting the passes lapse as visits are now trickier) and always stay on-site, principally for the convenience of being able to walk to and from the parks, which also means no one has to drive home after some drinks in the parks and/or CityWalk.

We actually attach little value to early entry because it's Islands of Adventure only and then just Hagrid's, Velocoaster and Forbidden Journey. During school holidays at least, unless you get to the gates very early, ie a good 30-45 minutes ahead of the start of early entry, you'll just be behind a lot of other on-site guests most of whom are heading for Hagrid's meaning you spend 60-90 minutes waiting for that.

If you're not in one of the three posh hotels, so don't have unlimited express, it can work if you want to get on Velocicoaster once or twice with minimal waits.
When we were there Hagrids (plus 'meet the Grinch') were the only rides excluded from the Express Pass. Hagrids queue was 90min within 30 mins of the (early) park opening
 


Bozza

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When we were there Hagrids (plus 'meet the Grinch') were the only rides excluded from the Express Pass. Hagrids queue was 90min within 30 mins of the (early) park opening
Yeah, they finally added Express to Velocicoaster a couple of years ago.

I do wonder if they will ever add it for Hagrid's as it's just so popular - the standby line would be (even more) horrendous. Maybe once Epic Universe has bedded in and crowds are split across three parks each day, they'll feel they'll be able to do so.

Our tactic for both the Universal and Disney big hitters is to enter the queue line a few minutes before park closing. I think the parks intentionally leave the stated wait time artificially high to dissuade people from doing what we do. We've had pretty short waits for Hagrid's doing this, and virtually walked onto Rise of the Resistance and Flight of Passage at Disney just before park closing.

The risk is if you try this approach as your only chance to ride the attraction and it goes down, you're likely to miss out.
 






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Yeah, they finally added Express to Velocicoaster a couple of years ago.

I do wonder if they will ever add it for Hagrid's as it's just so popular - the standby line would be (even more) horrendous. Maybe once Epic Universe has bedded in and crowds are split across three parks each day, they'll feel they'll be able to do so.
Rumour is the single rider line at Hagrids is being turned into the Express Line. Again, just a rumour but would make sense.
 


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Question for @jackalbion - if you have knowledge of that line, how do you think the network would cope?
 






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Looking at the concept art for the park, it suggests that the expansion to the second park will have the Harry Potter area (nothing obvious based on existing HP offerings in current/upcoming Universal parks) and potentially Nintendo land and the Mummy coaster, as three obvious omissions. Maybe there was a degree of them having to hold back HP to the second phase in an agreement with the studio at Leavesden, and the really excellent HP Studio Tour? There's also the new Monsters land at Epic which could have some bearing on what USGB will have.

It appears that the new Jurassic World ride could be in the large building to the left of Waterworld(? Or a new How To Train Your Dragon themed stunt show?) and the coaster - it's akin to the Spiderman/Transformers rides but apparently uses more physical effects than 3D film. With the UK climate, it makes more sense than the normal JP boat ride, or the one at USS which has you go around in a round raft and includes a large drop (when I rode this, I had my back to the plummet which made it more fun!).

All very tantalising for us theme park fans!
 






jcdenton08

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Looking at the concept art for the park, it suggests that the expansion to the second park will have the Harry Potter area (nothing obvious based on existing HP offerings in current/upcoming Universal parks) and potentially Nintendo land and the Mummy coaster, as three obvious omissions. Maybe there was a degree of them having to hold back HP to the second phase in an agreement with the studio at Leavesden, and the really excellent HP Studio Tour? There's also the new Monsters land at Epic which could have some bearing on what USGB will have.

It appears that the new Jurassic World ride could be in the large building to the left of Waterworld(? Or a new How To Train Your Dragon themed stunt show?) and the coaster - it's akin to the Spiderman/Transformers rides but apparently uses more physical effects than 3D film. With the UK climate, it makes more sense than the normal JP boat ride, or the one at USS which has you go around in a round raft and includes a large drop (when I rode this, I had my back to the plummet which made it more fun!).

All very tantalising for us theme park fans!
I had the large show building in my mind as the Star Wars dark ride?
 








1066familyman

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Yet they're still not Happy... :shrug:
I saw one of the seven dwarfs pushing his broken down car the other day. I'm not sure which dwarf, but he wasn't Happy.
 


dolphins

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D’oh! Grandad moment! Spider-Man was awesome I recall, going over the edge of the building(?) at the end was amazing
The Transformers ride is very similar, with a ride vehicle going from scene to scene, and some cunning use of lifts to move to upper/lower floors without the riders generally being aware - means the building footprint can be smaller.
 


1066familyman

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Never been there. So, is this a bit like Paradise Park then? Not sure what the fuss is about?
Sounds like it's slightly bigger than Peter Pan's Pool was at Catford.
 


jcdenton08

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The Transformers ride is very similar, with a ride vehicle going from scene to scene, and some cunning use of lifts to move to upper/lower floors without the riders generally being aware - means the building footprint can be smaller.
Thanks, off to YouTube for some on-ride footage. To give an idea of when I last went, The Simpsons Land was new and Harry Potter was under construction :lol:

I’m a theme guy, rather than an unthemed coaster or fairground Huss Topspin guy, so I love original rides and theming - Universal and Disney are masters
 






Nobby Cybergoat

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Two short platforms that can only take 4 car trains?
And I wonder if at the very peak moment where everyone is likely to leave, the train company, almost as if by design, decide to send the trains with the fewest carriages, leaving thousands of tired customers queuing endlessly on to get to the platform?

Nahh, doesn't sound that plausible actually
 


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