Got something to say or just want fewer pesky ads? Join us... 😊

[Albion] Not entirely sure what a penalty is any more....







One Teddy Maybank

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Aug 4, 2006
24,243
Worthing
Mitoma shoved in the back, stonewall. Hinshelwood hacks their player down, stonewall. Defender handles the ball middle of the area, stonewall.

And then compare to some of the ones we've had this season, Pedro fouled against Fulham, that weird headbutt one against Arsenal. All rather contrary.
Didn’t think the Mitoma was TBH.

Agree re the others.
 


South Stand Bonfire

Who lit that match then?
NSC Patron
Jan 24, 2009
3,004
Shoreham-a-la-mer
I thought the Mitoma one had to be a stonewall penalty but seeing the replay when I got home, he went down far too easily imo. Similarly with Jack’s incident I thought the Villa player deliberately went over Jack’s non moving trailing leg . I detest Atwell after that Spurs game but overall I thought those two penalty decisions were the right call. I couldn’t see what happened for Villas second goal when Van Heck and a Villa player went down just before the goal with “mtutual” contact though?. I think your comments are fair but the two incidents were very marginal imo and could easily have gone the other way on another day though. It did not affect the game yesterday but I thought the East Stand Lino missed a blatant handball by Martinez late in the game by carrying the ball out of his area when kicking the ball . Would have loved to have seen a second yellow for him just for the entertainment factor.
 


browneggsandham

Active member
Apr 12, 2011
217
Just watched them back, actually think he got them about right, agree with above.

Mitoma went down too easily.

Villa player threw themselves over Hinshelwood's leg without making contact. No idea why, had he allowed contact it would have been a certain penalty and possible 2nd yellow.

Handball in the box the defender's arm was in a natural position.

Mitoma handball I called the moment it happened. Didn't even really celebrate the goal as I just knew it was going to be taken away.
 






bhafc99

Well-known member
Oct 14, 2003
7,706
Dubai
Mitoma handball I called the moment it happened. Didn't even really celebrate the goal as I just knew it was going to be taken away.
I didn’t celebrate either. But that’s modern football. Most goals get a shrug of resigned ‘well, let’s see…’ cynicism now. I wasn’t sure if it had been kicked out of Martinez’s hands, or someone was offside, or whatever, you just know there’s probably going to be some poxy reason for it to be endlessly scrutinised over and then disallowed.
 


dazzer6666

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Mar 27, 2013
57,956
Burgess Hill
Partly use of VAR becoming confused about how much to intervene perhaps as they try to stick with the on field decision as far as possible? Just don’t know any more……..wasn’t at the game but apparently we got away with one v Forest on Saturday as well.
Hinsh’s challenge last night was a nailed-on penalty imo.
 






Barryseagulls

Active member
Mar 21, 2025
100
Partly use of VAR becoming confused about how much to intervene perhaps as they try to stick with the on field decision as far as possible? Just don’t know any more……..wasn’t at the game but apparently we got away with one v Forest on Saturday as well.
Hinsh’s challenge last night was a nailed-on penalty imo.
I think the villa player seemed to go down far too easily which is why I suspect it wasn’t given however I do think Hinsch needs to be careful with his tackling in the area as another VAR team could easily have given it.
 




martin tyler

Well-known member
Jan 25, 2013
6,072
Mitoma's arm was also in a natural position!
Havnt they made the rule something like if a defender handles the ball in a natural position then it’s not a penalty but if there is any handball in the build up to a goal no matter if it’s a natural position or not then the goal won’t stand? I could be wrong as they change the rules around it here and there.
 




Reddleman

Well-known member
May 17, 2017
2,426
I get we all view the game through a blue and white lens but some of the views above are bonkers.

Never ever is Mitomas a penalty. He's looking for it and goes down so easily. I love him but that’s not a penalty.

The Ramsey one was a penalty, Hinshelwood clearly catches him. 99 times out of a hundred that’s given.

The Villa handball was wasn’t a handball. It was by his side and he made no move towards the ball.

The Mitoma one is the only really subjective one. It’s a definite handball, it was below the shirt line. Every pundit I have seen says that’s a handball but it feels tough.

We did not lose this game because of referees. If anything we benefited from the biggest mistake they made.
 


The Optimist

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Apr 6, 2008
3,269
Lewisham
I agreed with most of the penalty decisions. I don’t think Mitoma was pushed - it looked like he lent across the front of the Villa player and then fell over.

Hinshelwood’s one I thought was a penalty, but perhaps one of those that isn’t clear enough to change the on field decision.

Villa defender’s arm was in a natural position and was ball to hand. Although as it travelled a reasonable distance I wondered if we might get it.

Mitoma actively used his arm to control the ball, so handball.

You could make a case for some of the above to be given the other way but none were clear enough to be upset about. Nothing like that Spurs game or the penalty against Dunk for handball against Fulham (?) that was a clear ball to hand and a natural position.
 


Nathan

Well-known member
Jan 8, 2010
3,810
Havnt they made the rule something like if a defender handles the ball in a natural position then it’s not a penalty but if there is any handball in the build up to a goal no matter if it’s a natural position or not then the goal won’t stand? I could be wrong as they change the rules around it here and there.
I think they have changed it that if the goal scorer in anyway touches it with his hand it isn't a goal. However, if there is an accidental handball in the build up and another player scores, then it is a goal. They judged Mitoma deliberately handled the ball, so no goal.
 






pb21

Well-known member
Apr 23, 2010
6,978
All correct decisions IMO:
  1. Mitoma wasn't fouled.
  2. Hinshelwood did foul the Villa player, but the ref didn't give it in real time and VAR decided it wasn't a clear and obvious error by the ref.
  3. Villa players arm was in a natural position.
  4. Mitoma benefited from the handball which directly led to the goal.
 


jcdenton08

Joel Veltman Fan Club
NSC Patron
Oct 17, 2008
17,021
Just watched them back, actually think he got them about right, agree with above.

Mitoma went down too easily.

Villa player threw themselves over Hinshelwood's leg without making contact. No idea why, had he allowed contact it would have been a certain penalty and possible 2nd yellow.

Handball in the box the defender's arm was in a natural position.

Mitoma handball I called the moment it happened. Didn't even really celebrate the goal as I just knew it was going to be taken away.
The Hinsh one was a definite penalty, the final view shows clear contact initiated by Hinsh. All of my usual GIF makers are failing me today but watch the final highlight from the VAR review, it’s crystal.
 






PascalGroß Tips

Well-known member
Jan 29, 2024
1,171
Just watched them back, actually think he got them about right, agree with above.

Mitoma went down too easily.

Villa player threw themselves over Hinshelwood's leg without making contact. No idea why, had he allowed contact it would have been a certain penalty and possible 2nd yellow.

Handball in the box the defender's arm was in a natural position.

Mitoma handball I called the moment it happened. Didn't even really celebrate the goal as I just knew it was going to be taken away.
Same here ... I did a token belated brief clap while everyone else going crazy around me. I knew VAR would rule it out as I spotted the handball.
 


Si Gull

Way Down South
Mar 18, 2008
5,183
On top of the world
I know it's been covered ad nauseum on here but, by the nature of football, many penalty decisions are subjective. All VAR does is offer a load more angles for us to debate - the two non-penalties from last night are a case in point; we can discuss them forever but, there is no definitive answer.

Why on earth can't VAR just be used to overturn 'clear and obvious' errors by the on field officials? If it's not clear and obvious, stick with the on field decision.
 


Albion and Premier League latest from Sky Sports


Top
Link Here