Luckily (sorry, libdums and Greenies) we don't have PR.
Because FPTP keep the nutters out.
And.... exhale.
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[Politics] Donald Trump, US President
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Because FPTP keep the nutters out.
And.... exhale.
Brian Munich
teH lulZ
- Jul 7, 2008
- 856
Are you not getting it? FPTP doesn’t keep nutters out; it prevents smaller parties - the sort that might get 10-15% of the national popular vote - from getting their representative share of MPs. Once they reach a tipping point (around 20%), all those 2nd places turn into wins and they start to get a greater percentage of MPs in Westminster than their national vote percentage.
Reform are currently polling in the mid 20s. Are you going to be happy with FPTP when Russian interference increases that to the low 30s and allows them to form a majority government?
Just in case you think I’m scare mongering, this link is Electoral Calculus’s analysis showing Reform need approx 31% for a majority:
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Says a straight, fully able, British white male.
Curious Orange
Punxsatawney Phil
Because Britain is entirely populated by racist mysogynistic bigots?
I'm sure Farage will strongly condemn this, given his deep love of sovereignty!
Green Cross Code Man
Wunt be druv
All this talk about Farage, but he can't be that keen on the Trump administration at the moment. Musk tried to throw him under the bus and then Trump's stance on Ukraine has led Farage to distance himself from it. He is a populist and and knows that the Ukraine issue is not a vote winner.
You mean that because you never suffered from racism, homophobia, or sexism in your workplace, discrimination doesn't exist, but is entirely manufactured by the Woke?
And as for trusting managers, we have lots of awful management in Britain - have you already forgotten about how the Post Office managers stitched-up their sub-postmasters, how the management of the water companies happily allow millions of tons of raw sewage to be discharged into our rivers while handing themselves £ millions in bonuses and dividends, or how companies like Amazon and Sports Direct treat their staff - "No you can't have a toilet break, piss in a bottle instead while you continue working."
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Who said that?
What is true is that most companies were run by white men who often chose to hire and promote those who looked like them.
In 2001, female representation on FTSE 100 boards was around 6%. By 2023, that had risen to over 40%.
In 2014, 7% of FTSE 100 board members were from ethnic minority backgrounds. By 2021, it was 15%.
Would this have happened without the 2010 Equality Act and the targets set by the Parker Review in 2015?
I appreciate this is a sensitive question and don’t feel you have to answer it (this is, after all, a safe space for everyone), but do you mind telling us which DEI category you fall under to make this judgement? You can be as vague as you like.
Really not sure how you got that from my post. I assume you don't agree with diversity policies ?
It was always going to end or diminish, Thunderbirds Parker with his three MP’s, a global irrelevance.
- Jul 10, 2003
- 29,014
But those c20% will still be blindly stumbling around putting their crosses where their latest Twitter/Facebook/News article/Mate/Russian bot/etc tells them to.
Now it's been shown how to target a certain sector of the electorate successfully, I think that sadly that's not going to go away. And as pointed out above, in a FPTP system that is worryingly close to what's needed for absolute power
Brian Munich
teH lulZ
- Jul 7, 2008
- 856
For now. However, despite everything, the populist grift continues and they are currently leading in the national opinion polls.
4 years is a long time to the GE, but I guarantee you that it’ll be 4 years of misinformation spread by shady sources and lapped up by the 50+ demographic who will believe anything they read on Facebook.
BadFish
Huge Member
- Oct 19, 2003
- 19,718
But it wasn't well run was it, people from minorities were finding it hard to get the jobs they were qualified for.
That's why they were introduced.
I mean, think what you like about the policies themselves but let's not rewrite history.
This sounds like a spectacularly daft idea. It is hard to imagine advocating for less scrutiny for leaders on a thread about Donald Trump but here you are
fly high
Well-known member
I'm 50 + but think Reform & Farage are full of BS without any real policies. I would also say, from experience with 20 somethings, they are just a susceptible to what they read on the internet & will pontificate about things without any real indepth knowledge of the subject the are talking about.
A TAD naive, perhaps.
There is actually a small amount of pushback starting on the Republican side.
(Click on MSN)
Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) said Monday that she plans to back the resolution led by Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.) that would terminate the national emergency Trump declared last month, citing fentanyl trafficking and illegal immigration. Trump has used that declaration to justify 25 percent across-the-board tariffs on America's northern neighbor and leading trade partner — duties that Trump has threatened to start levying later this week.
Collins is poised to join GOP Sens. Rand Paul of Kentucky, who is a co-sponsor of Kaine’s resolution and a strong opponent of tariffs, and Thom Tillis of North Carolina, who has also expressed concerns about Trump’s tariff plans for North American neighbors. Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa — one of many farm-state Republicans who has raised particular concerns about the Canadian tariffs — also said he was undecided on the Kaine resolution.
(Click on MSN)
GOP senators line up with Democrats to oppose Canada tariffs
Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) said Monday that she plans to back the resolution led by Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.) that would terminate the national emergency Trump declared last month, citing fentanyl trafficking and illegal immigration. Trump has used that declaration to justify 25 percent across-the-board tariffs on America's northern neighbor and leading trade partner — duties that Trump has threatened to start levying later this week.
Collins is poised to join GOP Sens. Rand Paul of Kentucky, who is a co-sponsor of Kaine’s resolution and a strong opponent of tariffs, and Thom Tillis of North Carolina, who has also expressed concerns about Trump’s tariff plans for North American neighbors. Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa — one of many farm-state Republicans who has raised particular concerns about the Canadian tariffs — also said he was undecided on the Kaine resolution.
Is the latter (preventing smaller parties getting a representative share) not the former (keeping the nutters out)?
It was always said that Hitler got in on the back of having a few MPs, due to PR,
seeming legitimate because of it, but with FPTP and no MPs he'd have gone the way of the NF, BNP etc., here.
If there is a 'tipping point' it would simply come sooner with PR than with FPTP.
I know that numbers of seats does not map to number of votes in FPTP.
This is why supporters of small parties are always banging on about how unfair it all is.
With PR in the last election Farage would have won dozens of seats.
I'll stick with FPTP thanks.
If Farage eventually gets a majority via FPTP, I will have to accept he deserves it,
and that we the people deserve him.
Curious Orange
Punxsatawney Phil
Your post read to me like you felt that this country was still some kind of intolerant backwater, which it clearly isn't. That annoys me, we live in a lovely, tolerant and welcoming country, and people from all over the world want to come and live and work here because it.
I am ambivalent about diversity policies in all honesty, and it rather depends on what those policies are for. I have no problem them being used as a tool for guiding how you conduct business, but I think that when they are applied to recruitment there is a danger that they can easily become discriminatory, in that company X employs person A because they are Y over person B, who is a better fit, because they aren't Y - being Y shouldn't ever be a deciding factor.
I understand what you are saying. But to get into power he'd need to have his vote concentrated in winnable seats.
Presently his vote is spread evenly across the country,
which is why he has only 5 (or 4) seats).
His voter phenotype remains that of the protester, people who hate labour and the tories,
and people who never normally vote,
which is why it is spread evenly across the country.
Can you honestly see him getting majority support in more than half of constituencies to get a working majority?
I can't.