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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
- Thread starter vegster
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- Aug 24, 2020
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You and millions of others around the world are now trying to fill in the information gaps which should have been fiiied in by Trump.
- Jan 25, 2025
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It’s not just Zelenskyy toughening up the language after today’s summit in Paris.
The EU and UK confirmed it won’t be lifting the sanctions Russia attempted to tack onto the ceasefire. So Putin now needs to either back down or reject the deal.
Macron spoke about sending troops into Ukraine with or without the US.
kyivindependent.com
Scholz also had strong words about lifting sanctions still being “quite far” away. Even the Estonian PM:
Mark Rutte, last seen chuckling nervously while Trump talked about starting NATO Avengers: Civil War, said this:
Mark Carney said this:
Since the London summit immediately after the Oval Office, it’s seemed like there’s been very close coordination between Ukraine, France and Britain. I think Zelenskyy said last week that he talks to Macron almost daily.
I’d guess today was a coordinated attempt to turn the screw on Trump and Putin’s “peace” talks. I wonder if Putin blundered in making a ceasefire conditional on those sanctions because it gave Europe the opportunity to basically veto the whole thing. Maybe.
Meanwhile, the Americans returned to their favourite subject, the minerals deal. It’s reaching levels of plunder the East India Company would be proud of.
The EU and UK confirmed it won’t be lifting the sanctions Russia attempted to tack onto the ceasefire. So Putin now needs to either back down or reject the deal.
Macron spoke about sending troops into Ukraine with or without the US.
‘With or without the US’ — France, UK harden line over Ukraine at ‘Coalition of the Willing’ summit
Several European countries agreed to send troops to Ukraine as part of a "reassurance force" in case of the ceasefire with Russia, French President Emmanuel Macron announced on March 27 at a summit of European leaders in Paris, which was also attended by Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky.
kyivindependent.com
Scholz also had strong words about lifting sanctions still being “quite far” away. Even the Estonian PM:
Mark Rutte, last seen chuckling nervously while Trump talked about starting NATO Avengers: Civil War, said this:
Mark Carney said this:
Since the London summit immediately after the Oval Office, it’s seemed like there’s been very close coordination between Ukraine, France and Britain. I think Zelenskyy said last week that he talks to Macron almost daily.
I’d guess today was a coordinated attempt to turn the screw on Trump and Putin’s “peace” talks. I wonder if Putin blundered in making a ceasefire conditional on those sanctions because it gave Europe the opportunity to basically veto the whole thing. Maybe.
Meanwhile, the Americans returned to their favourite subject, the minerals deal. It’s reaching levels of plunder the East India Company would be proud of.
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- Jan 18, 2009
- 5,055
Now that European countries are finally getting round to implementing sensible defence policies, any country that cannot produce its own steel is surely going to be unable to deliver a genuinely credible defence policy of its own, let alone one that includes exports to allies.
As demonstrated by the recent change in leadership with the US, unless a country is truly independent industrially it will be susceptible to geo political events and the whims of other leaderships. For steel, that would likely mean the UK jumping into bed with the Chinese. I don’t need to spell out the potential issues there do I?
As I have referenced previously, the days of this country being a military power are in the past, and that’s been a direction of travel taken by our political establishment of all colours in recent decades. It’s not just a UK position either, as Trump demonstrated its largely continent wide. Our political leadership need to be honest about our military capability, as a nation we are not ready for conflict with another major industrial power.
Whether or not we want to cut the welfare and other budgets to reestablish that status is a fair political policy to put to the public. We won’t get there if we can’t produce our own steel though……………
GoldstoneVintage
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crookie
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They already have a competent Govt. What a c**t
Papa Lazarou
Living in a De Zerbi wonderland
Can Europe suggest the same for Russia?
- Aug 24, 2020
- 8,576
Distraction. Deflection. Disruption. Change the subject. Pretend to be statesman-like by suggesting a UN role.
It's all Russian bollocks.
crookie
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Maybe Europe should suggest an interim Govt for Russia supervised by the UN, consisting of people who aren't bloodthirsty imperialist war criminals?
rogersix
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- Jan 18, 2014
- 8,348
Give up or muddle through?
The first few minutes of Jake's video says/suggests that Ukraine at least believed the ceasefire came into effect as soon as the US issued their statement. Have a watch to draw you own conclusions.
Pretty shambolic from the US team if the timing wasn't made clear to all parties.
Yep, I think it's a slip of the mask from Zelenskiy's team. They must be exhausted walking on eggshells every day, trying not to upset the US whilst protecting their country.
If he said it - I can't find that quote anywhere else except on that one single tweet (and subsequent retweets).
What an awful 'deal'. Ukraine had basically agreed the last deal the US put forward - now the US want more.
Yes, it's unclear.
No doubt the US will pronounce their reality on it today.
'robbery,' is the word, as said by one Ukrainian official.
The 52nd state without security guarantees - laughable.
- Aug 24, 2020
- 8,576
Did you see from 10:52 on the Russian demand for US sanctions on the Russian agricultural bank be lifted BEFORE any ceasefire can take place? The US can't lift the sanctions on Swift transactions on the Russian agricultural bank, as all Swift transactions go through Belgian banks, and Europe weren't invited to the peace talks.
Great eh?
It’s not just Zelenskyy toughening up the language after today’s summit in Paris.
The EU and UK confirmed it won’t be lifting the sanctions Russia attempted to tack onto the ceasefire. So Putin now needs to either back down or reject the deal.
Macron spoke about sending troops into Ukraine with or without the US.
‘With or without the US’ — France, UK harden line over Ukraine at ‘Coalition of the Willing’ summit
Several European countries agreed to send troops to Ukraine as part of a "reassurance force" in case of the ceasefire with Russia, French President Emmanuel Macron announced on March 27 at a summit of European leaders in Paris, which was also attended by Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky.
Scholz also had strong words about lifting sanctions still being “quite far” away. Even the Estonian PM:
Mark Rutte, last seen chuckling nervously while Trump talked about starting NATO Avengers: Civil War, said this:
Mark Carney said this:
Since the London summit immediately after the Oval Office, it’s seemed like there’s been very close coordination between Ukraine, France and Britain. I think Zelenskyy said last week that he talks to Macron almost daily.
I’d guess today was a coordinated attempt to turn the screw on Trump and Putin’s “peace” talks. I wonder if Putin blundered in making a ceasefire conditional on those sanctions because it gave Europe the opportunity to basically veto the whole thing. Maybe.
Meanwhile, the Americans returned to their favourite subject, the minerals deal. It’s reaching levels of plunder the East India Company would be proud of.
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That's excellent from Carney, basically stands up to Trump without any reactive threats on tariffs etc. Simply says, okay this is what we, as Canadians, will do then.
At some point I think we'll need to see similar statements from Europe and Ukraine. There have been partial.
fly high
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It’s not just Zelenskyy toughening up the language after today’s summit in Paris.
The EU and UK confirmed it won’t be lifting the sanctions Russia attempted to tack onto the ceasefire. So Putin now needs to either back down or reject the deal.
Macron spoke about sending troops into Ukraine with or without the US.
‘With or without the US’ — France, UK harden line over Ukraine at ‘Coalition of the Willing’ summit
Several European countries agreed to send troops to Ukraine as part of a "reassurance force" in case of the ceasefire with Russia, French President Emmanuel Macron announced on March 27 at a summit of European leaders in Paris, which was also attended by Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky.
Scholz also had strong words about lifting sanctions still being “quite far” away. Even the Estonian PM:
Mark Rutte, last seen chuckling nervously while Trump talked about starting NATO Avengers: Civil War, said this:
Mark Carney said this:
Since the London summit immediately after the Oval Office, it’s seemed like there’s been very close coordination between Ukraine, France and Britain. I think Zelenskyy said last week that he talks to Macron almost daily.
I’d guess today was a coordinated attempt to turn the screw on Trump and Putin’s “peace” talks. I wonder if Putin blundered in making a ceasefire conditional on those sanctions because it gave Europe the opportunity to basically veto the whole thing. Maybe.
Meanwhile, the Americans returned to their favourite subject, the minerals deal. It’s reaching levels of plunder the East India Company would be proud of.
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Expect speech from Vance with headline:-
Europe blocks peace deal
Wouldn't be surprised if follow up will be "If Europe continues to block peace deal then they can take over the protection of Ukraine and all US aid will stop".
- Jan 18, 2009
- 5,055
Why should it be either of those options?
Responsible governments (whatever flavour) should have strategies baked in to their overall risk management frameworks for most global/local events.
If the UK Government strategy is to be a leading global military power with capacity to resist another major power it cannot do that credibly without a corresponding industrial strategy which must include the ability to manufacture steel independently.
This is 1.01 stuff, it’s not nuance. As it is we have had successive Government’s standing by whilst the country’s industrial capacity shrinks. If that is because (say) net zero trumps defence capability then that is the decision the Government has decided to take.
So if we have given up the Government should say so.