[Politics] Sir Keir Starmer’s route to Number 10

Bodian · May 25, 2024

topbanana36 said:
Two cheeks of the same. If anyone thinks Labour is going to suddenly slash the waiting times of the NHS, make class sizes smaller, pay the public sector more money, stop mass uncontrolled unskilled immigration etc etc is seriously deluded.

There will be no difference. In fact it will be even worse

Feel free to bounce this in a couple of years

It won't be 'suddenly', no. It's going to take at least one full-term, and probably into the second before they are able to reverse the crap that the tories have inflicted on the country over the last 14 years.

Hugo Rune said:
We’re getting some good policy meat in the bones now that Starmer is being confronted by the electorate and not Labour councillor stooges!

This morning, he has said everyone who pays income tax or are in the armed forces should get a vote. A brilliant move for the country which should really upset the hard right!

Ooh - does this work in reverse? If you are a wealthy tax exile can you be excluded from voting?

beorhthelm · May 25, 2024

Bodian said:
It won't be 'suddenly', no. It's going to take at least one full-term, and probably into the second before they are able to reverse the crap that the tories have inflicted on the country over the last 14 years.

as they are committing to no additional spending, aside specific target areas, what exactly are they going to reverse?

Harry Wilson's tackle · May 25, 2024

beorhthelm said:
as they are committing to no additional spending, aside specific target areas, what exactly are they going to reverse?

This sort of thing for a start

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Bodian · May 25, 2024

beorhthelm said:
as they are committing to no additional spending, aside specific target areas, what exactly are they going to reverse?

The total spend may remain similar, but it's where you spend it that is important.

For instance, on things for the public good, rather than making their mates richer. That would be a start.

Hugo Rune · May 25, 2024

Bodian said:
The total spend may remain similar, but it's where you spend it that is important.

For instance, on things for the public good, rather than making their mates richer. That would be a start.

Yup.

The Tories are looking at a spend of around £500m on the Rwanda scheme. That can be better spent for a start.

On that subject, 10 Downing Street has said Sunk won’t be honouring his £1,000 bet to charity with Piers Morgan if flights to Rwanda don’t take off before the election. I realise this no surprise.

Harry Wilson's tackle · May 25, 2024

Bodian said:
The total spend may remain similar, but it's where you spend it that is important.

For instance, on things for the public good, rather than making their mates richer. That would be a start.

Yep. I find the argument that labour can't prove how they will fix the tory mess so.......... (so what exactly? May as well stick with the tories?) a bit strange.

Bodian · May 25, 2024

Hugo Rune said:
On that subject, 10 Downing Street has said Sunk won’t be honouring his £1,000 bet to charity with Piers Morgan if flights to Rwanda don’t take off before the election. I realise this no surprise.

It's not even money he would be giving to Morgan - but to the British Red Cross.

Which just about sums it up really. Happy for money to be given to his mates, but not willing to give a little of his own money to a worthwhile charity. I see he's getting out of it by saying that one person was deported. Even though he wasn't deported, but paid to choose Rwanda as his destination as a failed asylum seeker.

Harry Wilson's tackle · May 25, 2024

Bodian said:
It's not even money he would be giving to Morgan - but to the British Red Cross.

Which just about sums it up really. Happy for money to be given to his mates, but not willing to give a little of his own money to a worthwhile charity. I see he's getting out of it by saying that one person was deported. Even though he wasn't deported, but paid to choose Rwanda as his destination as a failed asylum seeker.

And you were musing on whether there is any difference between the failed plans of the tories and the apparently secret plans of the Labour party?

Does it even warrant contemplation?

Randy McNob · May 25, 2024

Bodian said:
The total spend may remain similar, but it's where you spend it that is important.

For instance, on things for the public good, rather than making their mates richer. That would be a start.

How about "we spend 500m a week on Brexit, lets spend it on our NHS instead"

Randy McNob · May 25, 2024

topbanana36 said:
Two cheeks of the same. If anyone thinks Labour is going to suddenly slash the waiting times of the NHS, make class sizes smaller, pay the public sector more money, stop mass uncontrolled unskilled immigration etc etc is seriously deluded.

There will be no difference. In fact it will be even worse

Feel free to bounce this in a couple of years

There are areas they could make an instant differences, like end the strikes, prosecute all those who profited from dodgy Covid contracts, ban no fault evictions, bring in a wealth tax (unlikely), stop Rwanda plan, more regulation with the banks, commit to finish HS2, commit to previous net zero targets. Long term we need investment in public servies, if it means more borrowing so be it because if we don´t we will pay a higher price in the future.

A1X · May 28, 2024

Is it PotG? · May 28, 2024

Randy McNob said:
There are areas they could make an instant differences, like end the strikes, prosecute all those who profited from dodgy Covid contracts, ban no fault evictions, bring in a wealth tax (unlikely), stop Rwanda plan, more regulation with the banks, commit to finish HS2, commit to previous net zero targets. Long term we need investment in public servies, if it means more borrowing so be it because if we don´t we will pay a higher price in the future.

When you say ‘end the strikes’…..what’s the strategy?

Simply give in to demands, which would have a poor impact upon inflation (if solely pay related) and set precedents?

The Clamp · May 28, 2024

A1X said:

Well what an inevitable waste of money.

Bob! · May 28, 2024

The Clamp said:
Well what an inevitable waste of money.

Though it may not be all over yet.

"Matters involving council tax and personal tax do not fall into the jurisdiction of policing.

"GMP has liaised with Stockport Council and information about our investigation has been shared with them.

"Details of our investigation have also been shared with His Majesty’s Revenue and Customs (HMRC)."

Hugo Rune · May 28, 2024

Bob! said:
Though it may not be all over yet.

"Matters involving council tax and personal tax do not fall into the jurisdiction of policing.

"GMP has liaised with Stockport Council and information about our investigation has been shared with them.

"Details of our investigation have also been shared with His Majesty’s Revenue and Customs (HMRC)."

She said she’d stand down if it was found she’d committed a criminal offence so I guess it’s over for her.

In terms of the billionaire owned right wing press (and the Tory party) I suspect they’ve got a dozen more headlines (at least) out of this to come.

I’m hoping the Police always hand over investigations that fall outside their jurisdiction to other relevant government agencies, whether they think there is something worth pursuing by other means or not. I suspect Stockport Council has a time limited cut off for investigating though.

Stato · May 28, 2024

A1X said:

News just in - The previous attendee at the Tory Party conference who is in charge of Greater Manchester Police has realised that the political party who's bidding he is doing are not going to be his bosses anymore, that the MP who he has acted at the direct behest of is 29 points behind his challenger in the opinion polls, and that the person he is investigating is likely to be really quite powerful really quite soon.

WATFORD zero · May 28, 2024

Is it PotG? said:
I'm sure there's an innocent explanation

Most likely nothing to see here.

Congratulations, it appears that you have managed a sensible and factually correct post, though completely unintentional :lolol:

Bob! · May 28, 2024

Stato said:
News just in - The previous attendee at the Tory Party conference who is in charge of Greater Manchester Police has realised that the political party who's bidding he is doing are not going to be his bosses anymore, that the MP who he has acted at the direct behest of is 29 points behind his challenger in the opinion polls, and that the person he is investigating is likely to be really quite powerful really quite soon.

She wouldn't be at all powerful if she'd resigned though?

A1X · May 28, 2024

Bob! said:
Though it may not be all over yet.

"Matters involving council tax and personal tax do not fall into the jurisdiction of policing.

"GMP has liaised with Stockport Council and information about our investigation has been shared with them.

"Details of our investigation have also been shared with His Majesty’s Revenue and Customs (HMRC)."

seagullsovergrimsby · May 28, 2024

I hope they go after the Tory MP who put undue pressure on Greater Manchester Police to investigate this storm in a tea cup for timewasting

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