[Football] Clubs to Vote on VAR removal

Uh_huh_him · May 16, 2024

Pretty sure the refs would like to see the back of it.
I think they are more than happy that VAR is taking the blame for their poor performances and inconsistencies.

Personally I would like to see more technology not less.

The big issues with VAR are:

the amount of time it takes for referees to interpret the data
The lack of communication with the fans in the stadium
Inconsistent interpretation of the data
The incompatibility with the intention of the laws, when viewed with modern technology

None of this is down to the technology.

Thunder Bolt · May 16, 2024

RDZ blames the ref, not VAR for last night's denied penalty.

I think it was a clear penalty today. But the problem is not VAR, the problem is the level of the referees. Today I did not like the performance of the referee. But I make more mistakes than the referee.

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sparkie · May 16, 2024

VAR could have been good if they had stuck to *clear and obvious*.

Any VAR decisions that requires lines to be drawn and images to be be sent for analysis by an electronic microscope for ages are a ridulous waste of time.

If they can't get it right after all this time just Get Rid.

rippleman · May 16, 2024

US Seagull said:
It's easy to say the refs are incompetent and should all be replaced by better ones, but I can't help but notice that nobody seems to have a suggestion on how you'd achieve that? Who would even want to be a referee in this climate?

I fear if you get too aggressive with demoting or otherwise punishing refs, pretty soon we'd have no refs at all.

Maybe it needs massive investment in training refs and paying them enough to make it worth it. Also ensuring they are protected from abuse.

EPL referees receive a salary of up to £147K per annum. I would say they are absolutely paid enough! On top of that they get top hotels booked for them and chauffeur driven transport to and from games. And the job security of knowing that no matter how poorly they perform they aren't going to get sacked.

It's not such a hard life being an EPL referee.

jackalbion · May 16, 2024

Kinky Gerbil said:
You can't retrain on subjective calls.

You can retrain to make better calls. That penalty call in the first half yesterday, was baffling, the bloke just guessed, better training avoids that.

southstandandy · May 16, 2024

The major positive for me in getting rid of VAR is the speeding up of the game. As before, a quick check to see if the lino has his flag up and then we can instantly celebrate and not wait 2 or 3 mins for our 2nd celebration.

If this leads to a few more dubious off side calls and the benefit of the doubt going to the attacking team, I'm all for it. We want to see goals, not goals ruled out by the smallest of margins.

I know we want the refs to improve (which I don't think helps with VAR) and don't want blatant off side goals to count, but so many goals almost every week are ruled out by a mere fraction and to me that is not in the spirit of the game.

Easy 10 · May 16, 2024

I'm in the "get rid" camp. I never wanted it in the first place, because everyone knew it would just be the thin end of a very thick wedge on decision-making. Mission creep duly took place, and we're now waaaaaay beyond looking at the 'clear and obvious'. Its actually far worse now than I first thought it would be.

I've not read this whole thread, but one point I would like to make - why is it the CLUBS who get to vote on this, when it should be the FANS ? Every single STH, ie the paying fans who sit in the stadiums every week having to endure this crap, should be contacted by the clubs to have the opportunity to vote either yay or nay. Thats how the decision SHOULD be arrived at.

But I appreciate I'm showing my rank naivity at any notion that the fans will ever be listened to about anything though.

Flounce · May 16, 2024

Salisbury’s performance last night is probably a valid reason for NOT voting to bin VAR. He is not alone amongst refs in “missing” things that are to our detriment either. With no VAR we’d be mugged off most games on recent ref performances.

Thunder Bolt · May 16, 2024

Easy 10 said:
I'm in the "get rid" camp. I never wanted it in the first place, because everyone knew it would just be the thin end of a very thick wedge on decision-making. Mission creep duly took place, and we're now waaaaaay beyond looking at the 'clear and obvious'. Its actually far worse now than I first thought it would be.

I've not read this whole thread, but one point I would like to make - why is it the CLUBS who get to vote on this, when it should be the FANS ? Every single STH, ie the paying fans who sit in the stadiums every week having to endure this crap, should be contacted by the clubs to have the opportunity to vote either yay or nay. Thats how the decision SHOULD be arrived at.

But I appreciate I'm showing my rank naivity at any notion that the fans will ever be listened to about anything though.

Fans just pay some money. The real money in the PL is from worldwide television, so we will never be 'important' enough to be consulted.

Easy 10 · May 16, 2024

Thunder Bolt said:
Fans just pay some money. The real money in the PL is from worldwide television, so we will never be 'important' enough to be consulted.

Yes, I know I'm an old man shouting at clouds. Clubs are always falling over themselves to tell us fans how important we are, but its only lip service. This issue is exactly the kind of thing we should be consulted on though. I agree with Wolves' reasons for calling for the vote (which will obviously fail). I bet it did't even occur to them to mention fan involvement.

nicko31 · May 16, 2024

Get rid, the game will never be perfect. We need some drama, we need limbs

Mustafa II · May 16, 2024

We'd miss if it were gone now.

I think people forget some of the shocking decisions that refs used to make before VAR. Reds should that have never been, fouls that weren't given that should have been reds. Goals given that shouldn't have been, penalties, etc, etc.

VAR gets a lot wrong. But in this age of numerous HD, slow-mo camera angles - the uproar that would happen when refs give poor decisions purely because they didn't have a great view would have the fans begging for VAR back.

The solution isn't to get rid - the solution is to get it right. It needs to be less intrusive and only be called upon when needed, when there is a clear and obvious error or uncertainty by the on-field ref. None of this 'offside by a fingernail after numerous lines have been drawn after 5 minutes' bollocks.

Giraffe · May 16, 2024

sparkie said:
VAR could have been good if they had stuck to *clear and obvious*.

Any VAR decisions that requires lines to be drawn and images to be be sent for analysis by an electronic microscope for ages are a ridulous waste of time.

If they can't get it right after all this time just Get Rid.

So that is where I am. But then I think about my 40+ years of watching football and when decisions against my team have really mattered and I come down to two or three decisions which actually mattered:

Maradona (enough said)
Lampard ball over the line - now sorted by ball line tech
Stephens sending off at Middlesborough - an arguable one

My view of VAR was that if it just appeared once or twice a season in situations where it was clearly comically wrong like Maradona and Lampard then I'd get on board. But this constant looking at goals to see if there is a problem, the narow offsides etc. It's pathetic and has killed the joy of a goal for fans as it was always going to do.

By the way I may not have agreed with the Stephens sending off one but would i accept that decision being made a ref over having VAR look at it. Absolutely yes. That's football. And it's not a 100% foul up by the ref it's probably just a very harsh decision based on the injury. Wouldn't tick my clear and obvious box.

I know it doesn't apply to lower leagues but imagine if VAR had been at Hereford. The joy of that goal would have been on pause whilst we all waited to see if there was offside etc.

Tim Over Whelmed · May 16, 2024

Every player wears a GPS tracker thing in the neck of the shirt, make this the VAR point, automatic decisions

nicko31 · May 16, 2024

Kinky Gerbil said:
Get rid!

MSN

Need a pole!!!

Marshy · May 16, 2024

Im firmly in the keep camp

Just get better and quicker at using it.

The new offside thing next season will help for starters.

Greavsey · May 16, 2024

Marshy said:
Im firmly in the keep camp

Just get better and quicker at using it.

The new offside thing next season will help for starters.

Yep, and think about the stadium experience. Last night for example from the East Upper, I didn't have a clue who the red card review was for. Had Pedro snuck a sly elbow in when tackling James, or had James booted him? Not a clue based on what was displayed on the screen in the stadium, and while the ref was watching and re-watching on tv.

dippy2449 · May 16, 2024

I think it is an unnecessary level of football bureaucracy.
It is inconsistent as at older grounds the camera view is not always accurate (Lewis at Everton, Pervis at Palace)
I am told that it gets more right than wrong!! Isn't that the case of most officials throughout the EFL?
A PGMOL letter is worthless unless the Premier league start introducing financial compensation or 3 letters = 1 point

Krafty · May 16, 2024

I prefer football without VAR than with. Thankfully EFL and non-league football exists.

Guy Fawkes · May 16, 2024

Farehamseagull said:
Bang on. And the reason why VAR will never work is because football is full of subjective calls. It should never have come in in the first place and should most definitely be scrapped now. But as others have said, you just know the club are depressingly going to vote to keep it, going against the view of the majority of fans.

And Brighton are no more harshly done by it than any other team - it's shit for all.

If it is subjective, then the onfield decision stands

If it's a clear and obvious error, then VAR intervenes and the decision overturned (a clear handball to rule out a goal, a clear offside by a goal scorer, a clear red card that was missed, etc) - If marginal, leave the onfield decision (should take seconds to review)

Also scrap the occasions when it's obvious there has been an error that needs overturning, and the need to still get the ref to view it before it can be overturned as all that does is waste more time and drag it out for far longer than needed

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