[Football] Football rumour - Erik ten Hag will be sacked at end of season

Kinky Gerbil said:

Please please please appoint Southgate.
That would be absolutely hilarious.

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BBassic said:

Exactly this.

That fanbase need to realise they are not the Manchester United we all grew up despising. The Treble, the Class of '92, Fergie time - that's all ancient history, relatively speaking.

What they are now is a sometimes better than average top half Premier League team with a disjointed squad, a stadium with its own water feature and a history of onboarding ineffective managers.

Until they get out of their own shadow they will be in this state of constant "But...but...we're UNITED!!"

And long may it continue. I sometimes wonder how the United fans I had to listen to at school feel now.

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Kinky Gerbil said:

My money is on Potter

Most these players will be sold / don't have a future.

It's if you trust him with a rebuild rather than can he manage the egos

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mejonaNO12 aka riskit said:

There's an aspect of me that thinks he could be absolutely perfect for what they need. They have to go one of two ways, the strict authoritative manager who will take no sh** or the manager who is seen as an extension of the playing squad.

Personally, I think the latter may be better for them. Man United (however annoyingly) used to have a real sense of pride in the badge etc around them. For any sort of criticism levelled at Southgate, even the most-anti GS person going must surely acknowledge he has completely changed the feeling around England. The players look genuinely happy to be there, proud to play for their country and it doesn't appear to be a slog anymore.

United have gone Moyes, Van Gaal (nutter), Mourinho (nutter) and Ten Haag (Sancho out etc). None of that appears to have worked. Maybe it's time for someone who is seen as being on the players side.

Maybe that's what United need. Sure, it may be cheesy, but a guy coming in on day 1, hitting home the values of the club and what it means to play for them but also appearing approachable etc.

Or it could be sh**. Who knows.

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mejonaNO12 aka riskit said:

There's an aspect of me that thinks he could be absolutely perfect for what they need. They have to go one of two ways, the strict authoritative manager who will take no sh** or the manager who is seen as an extension of the playing squad.

Personally, I think the latter may be better for them. Man United (however annoyingly) used to have a real sense of pride in the badge etc around them. For any sort of criticism levelled at Southgate, even the most-anti GS person going must surely acknowledge he has completely changed the feeling around England. The players look genuinely happy to be there, proud to play for their country and it doesn't appear to be a slog anymore.

United have gone Moyes, Van Gaal (nutter), Mourinho (nutter) and Ten Haag (Sancho out etc). None of that appears to have worked. Maybe it's time for someone who is seen as being on the players side.

Maybe that's what United need. Sure, it may be cheesy, but a guy coming in on day 1, hitting home the values of the club and what it means to play for them but also appearing approachable etc.

Or it could be sh**. Who knows.

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mejonaNO12 aka riskit said:

There's an aspect of me that thinks he could be absolutely perfect for what they need. They have to go one of two ways, the strict authoritative manager who will take no sh** or the manager who is seen as an extension of the playing squad.

Personally, I think the latter may be better for them. Man United (however annoyingly) used to have a real sense of pride in the badge etc around them. For any sort of criticism levelled at Southgate, even the most-anti GS person going must surely acknowledge he has completely changed the feeling around England. The players look genuinely happy to be there, proud to play for their country and it doesn't appear to be a slog anymore.

United have gone Moyes, Van Gaal (nutter), Mourinho (nutter) and Ten Haag (Sancho out etc). None of that appears to have worked. Maybe it's time for someone who is seen as being on the players side.

Maybe that's what United need. Sure, it may be cheesy, but a guy coming in on day 1, hitting home the values of the club and what it means to play for them but also appearing approachable etc.

Or it could be sh**. Who knows.

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nickbrighton said:

IIRC someone asking Fergusson when he announced he was retiring, "why now?"- his reply was along the lines of- " this squad needs a total rebuild from the ground up- that takes a minimum of 3 years to be back in the position to winning trophies- I dont feel I have a minimum of three years in me to do that"

He then duly annointed Moyes as the man who would gut the squad (which had massivley over achieved that season) and start the rebuild. six months later Moyes was gone, the rebuild never happened and the hire, fire repeat started

Untill they realise that the squad is in the same condition as the stadium roof (once great-now old, neglected and leaking, requiring a replacement, not a bit of duct tape over the holes) and do some massive rebuuilding nothing will change

The mentality mentioned above (but this is Man Utd were talking about" is all persuasive and ultimatley is what is slowly killing the club. The fans, players, pundits, and more importantly the Owners have to realise that they cantjust rely on being Man Utd to win anything, they have to do it the hard way, and accept that they are in for a few barren years in order to be in a position to regain their position.

It doesnt matter who is the next manager, if they dont allow him the time then other than a few cup runs, a few winning streaks, it will all end in tears

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Kinky Gerbil said:

My money is on Potter

Most these players will be sold / don't have a future.

It's if you trust him with a rebuild rather than can he manage the egos

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Beanstalk said:

He's always been INEOS's favourite choice. They desperately wanted him at OGC Nice, and they supposedly want him again. INEOS aside, he has also been admired at United for a long long time.

I also heard whilst he was at the Albion that he'd been earmarked to replace Southgate when that job becomes available. I've heard he's still the FA's choice for that and it may become available soon. It would at least explain why he's so picky around his next move.

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Flounce said:

So tactical nous and not being out thought by every decent coach is not that important?

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Bry Nylon said:

I suppose they tried that to an extent with Ole Gunnar Solskjær? But it feels like he didn't manage to carry any weight or authority and consequently the players just took the piss out of him? I don't really mind what they do, but to me it instinctively feels like they need someone who will inject a bit of steel and discipline, rather than an arm round the shoulder. Either way, it's fun to watch.

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Kalimantan Gull said:

They had that with Solskjaer, knows values, nice, approachable etc. - he didn't do that badly really, but his coaching skills aren't top level. Southgate - similar I suppose?

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hans kraay fan club said:

United have also brought (are bringing) Dan Ashworth in. Ashworth of course, recruited Potter to the Albion.

There's been lots of rumours about Potter for the England job - I can't see it working tbh. Potter needs lots of time with the players to get his methods / tactics across. You don't get that with a national side. His methods also take some time (even with lots of training ground work - that he won't get) to bear fruit. Replicate his first tow season's form at the Albion, and you are talking about England failing to qualify for tournaments - never mind tanking in them.

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mejonaNO12 aka riskit said:

For any sort of criticism levelled at Southgate, even the most-anti GS person going must surely acknowledge he has completely changed the feeling around England. The players look genuinely happy to be there, proud to play for their country and it doesn't appear to be a slog anymore.

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Beanstalk said:

I would agree re: England. I don't know if it would work, but for many reasons, I'd find him very uninspiring and I'd be genuinely surprised if he could do a better job of extracting more out of the side than Southgate - it may look slightly nicer in qualifiers though. At the same time, I've heard he's the long term choice of the FA, and whilst he wouldn't be my choice, it really wouldn't shock me if that came to pass.

I think there is only one choice for me, and that's Steve Cooper. He's clearly able to inspire teams to give more than they've got, and is an ingrained part of that England DNA that Ashworth put in place. Might be an ugly bugger but probably the right choice to continue England's deep progression in tournaments under Southgate.

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Justice said:

Cooper is Welsh can’t see that going well.

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mejonaNO12 aka riskit said:

Just checking back my post........


Nope. I didn't say that.

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Justice said:

Cooper is Welsh can’t see that going well.

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