[Drinking] Tip your barstaff!

StonehamPark · May 10, 2024

Iggle Piggle said:
The thing about American culture is that the service is generally excellent because of the tipping culture. The worst service amongst the countries I've been to is Spain. I've walked out of restaurants where we've had no more than the menu in 20 minutes and I appear to have donned an invisibility cloak. That type of thing simply doesn't happen in the States.

Just incorrect, when was the last time you experienced excellent service, and where from?
The tipping culture has radically changed over the past 5 years in the US and Canada.

Tipping culture in the US is out of control – we’re even asked to tip self-checkouts | Arwa Mahdawi

There are prompts to add around 20% for simply buying a pint of milk at the local shop or picking up a coffee. How can we stop this madness?

www.theguardian.com

God help us if we embrace America’s aggressive tipping culture

An easy way to boost earnings for a flat-lining hospitality industry could quickly spread into healthcare and elsewhere

www.telegraph.co.uk

North America's tipping culture is increasingly oppressive

“It’s an urban myth that servers don’t make a lot of money.”

www.vice.com

Tipflation: Americans Think Tipping Culture Is ‘Out Of Control’ And Workers Should Be Paid More

A recent survey by Bankrate found that roughly 66% of Americans have a negative view of tipping. Around 30% of respondents think that tipping culture is “out of control,” with more companies encouraging customers to tip at their counters than ever before. Patrons find the pre-entered tip screens...

www.forbes.com

Tipping Is Weird Now

Technology and the pandemic have transformed the meaning of gratuity.

www.theatlantic.com

Americans are getting annoyed with tipping culture, survey finds

Customers are cutting back on tips across all forms of service including sit-down restaurants, cafes and delivery.

abc7ny.com

Tipping Culture in America: Public Sees a Changed Landscape

72% of U.S. adults say tipping is expected in more places today than it was five years ago. But even as Americans say they’re being asked to tip more often, only about a third say it’s extremely or very easy to know whether (34%) or how much (33%) to tip for various services.

www.pewresearch.org

portlock seagull · May 10, 2024

Brovion said:
Exactly. We all know the Americans don't like trade unions (too Socialist) so over there they underpay their workers and expect the customers to do it for them. And surprise surprise they prefer rich customers who can leave bigger tips.

It's dreadful that it's becoming more and more prevalent over here to the extent that rich people are more welcome as customers because they can afford to give bigger tips. Pay the workers a decent wage and let the tips be a bonus.

Ahh but if you pay them a decent wage the British will moan about cost of service. Meanwhile they’re very content with Sat on arse at home shovelling junk food delivered by exploition R Us

beorhthelm · May 10, 2024

Herr Tubthumper said:
Hospitality has to pay a minimum wage by law, so they are paid appropriately in one sense. But hospitality pay is low, hospitality is a tough gig and is public facing….the majority of whom seem to be entitled tossers these days who rarely compliment when things go well but certainly kick up a fuss when things don’t. I’m exceedingly grateful for what they do and as such will 99% of the time tip. Thanking them and giving a tip sends a clear message of how I feel in amongst all the crap they have to put up with…..usually gets me a free schnapps as well. Everyone is happy.

have you tried going to nicer places?

Peacehaven Wild Kids · May 10, 2024

The Lemming Stomper said:
I'm with Mr Pink on this....

You were happy enough to take tips off the betting shop punters, even the ones that didn’t even know they’d tipped you!

BN9 BHA · May 10, 2024

Justice said:
Last year I ordered some work socks from eBay, tbh I had forgot about them in February whilst ordering something else I messaged the seller no response, a week later I left a bad review item didn’t arrive no feedback from seller.
The next thing I had the husband on the phone saying my review had damaged his wife’s business. WTF I paid for something I didn’t receive you f***ing clown it’s hardly my fault.

I didn’t realise eBay sellers had buyers phone numbers, did you tell him to f*** off?

jackanada · May 10, 2024

portlock seagull said:
Ahh but if you pay them a decent wage the British will moan about cost of service. Meanwhile they’re very content with Sat on arse at home shovelling junk food delivered by exploition R Us

On the extremely rare occasions I use such a service I do top up the deliverers wages with cash for this very reason.

Iggle Piggle · May 10, 2024

StonehamPark said:
Just incorrect, when was the last time you experienced excellent service, and where from?
The tipping culture has radically changed over the past 5 years in the US and Canada.

Tipping culture in the US is out of control – we’re even asked to tip self-checkouts | Arwa Mahdawi

There are prompts to add around 20% for simply buying a pint of milk at the local shop or picking up a coffee. How can we stop this madness?

www.theguardian.com

God help us if we embrace America’s aggressive tipping culture

An easy way to boost earnings for a flat-lining hospitality industry could quickly spread into healthcare and elsewhere

www.telegraph.co.uk

North America's tipping culture is increasingly oppressive

“It’s an urban myth that servers don’t make a lot of money.”

www.vice.com

Tipflation: Americans Think Tipping Culture Is ‘Out Of Control’ And Workers Should Be Paid More

A recent survey by Bankrate found that roughly 66% of Americans have a negative view of tipping. Around 30% of respondents think that tipping culture is “out of control,” with more companies encouraging customers to tip at their counters than ever before. Patrons find the pre-entered tip screens...

www.forbes.com

Tipping Is Weird Now

Technology and the pandemic have transformed the meaning of gratuity.

www.theatlantic.com

Americans are getting annoyed with tipping culture, survey finds

Customers are cutting back on tips across all forms of service including sit-down restaurants, cafes and delivery.

abc7ny.com

Tipping Culture in America: Public Sees a Changed Landscape

72% of U.S. adults say tipping is expected in more places today than it was five years ago. But even as Americans say they’re being asked to tip more often, only about a third say it’s extremely or very easy to know whether (34%) or how much (33%) to tip for various services.

www.pewresearch.org

I was in Florida this time last year and been on and off for the last 20 odd years over a number of locations. Can't say I noticed any difference. Even Denny's was decent and I love their chemical brekkies. In Majorca the year before, same old, albeit at least they don't go for a kip in the afternoon there.

America has got a multitude of issues but shit service isn't one of them.

Edit : If your point is, is America more expensive, then I can't disagree. No value there anymore

sussex_guy2k2 · May 10, 2024

abc said:
Tipping is (or was) a thank you for exceptional service/going the extra mile, not for doing your job and certainly not to enable staff to be underpaid. I would love to see a campaign against ‘discretionary service charges’, I think it would be popular.

I’m with you on this. I thoroughly dislike tipping culture.

If companies can’t pay their workers properly and can’t price their services at the correct levels to pay employees, then that’s on them, not on me.

South Stand Bonfire · May 10, 2024

The Waterside pub next to the Thames last year, the service was excellent. I queued at the bar but they insisted I sit down a they would take the beer orders from our table 10 yards away..and then added 10% to the bill for service charges. I wouldn’t object if they had been upfront with it beforehand. If however I go to the Evening Star pre game or Duke of W for the odd beer, I am very happy to ask them to add “one for you too” onto the bill.

StonehamPark · May 10, 2024

Iggle Piggle said:
I was in Florida this time last year and been on and off for the last 20 odd years over a number of locations. Can't say I noticed any difference. Even Denny's was decent and I love their chemical brekkies. In Majorca the year before, same old, albeit at least they don't go for a kip in the afternoon there.

America has got a multitude of issues but shit service isn't one of them.

Surprised and humbled to have learnt that I, the writers, articles and locals here, in North America, are all wrong, and you are correct because ...Denny's, of all places, provided to you great service in Florida.

Iggle Piggle · May 10, 2024

Need a new phone FFS

Iggle Piggle · May 10, 2024

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StonehamPark said:
Surprised and humbled to have learnt that I, the writers, articles and locals here, in North America, are all wrong, and you are correct because ...Denny's, of all places, provided to you great service in Florida.

I appreciate - probably more than 90% of people on this board and I can't be arsed to explain why - is that small sample sizes of data are the curse of analysis especially in a country as big as America. It's like arguing service in London is the same as Benbecula.

Here's what I noticed

- Service is still good and - largely - unchanged over 20 years. It's mile's better than Europe.
-Tip culture seems to be 20 rather than 15% in 2019 rather than 12.5% in 2005 ish. As a tourist I just get on with it. Where does that end?
- Prices are significantly higher than pre COVID which is probably where the backlash comes from. Some of that is exchange rate but it's not just that. America is more expensive.

Happy to argue specifics. Opinion articles from Guardian and Telegraph are opposite ends of the same bullshit theme for me.

Justice · May 10, 2024

BN9 BHA said:
I didn’t realise eBay sellers had buyers phone numbers, did you tell him to f*** off?

He tried bribing me with a couple of free pairs of sockets only if I removed the review first, that wound me up even more.

raymondo · May 10, 2024

"Tip that waitress

"
This one sounds worthy

BevBHA · May 10, 2024

heathgate said:
In my retirement years,... early retirement, I helped out running the bar in a few pubs locally here in the west country. Currently doing 10-15 hours a week at a pub that does food,.. a good quality one that has table service for diners, drink and food,. Recently a table of 16, most had two courses, most had two drinks.... total tip... 30p from one old lady.. we have frequently had zero from tables paying bills of more than a hundred, great quality food and service, reasonable prices... no excuse.

Well done you gave good service, so you did your job? That’s your job regardless of if you think a customer will tip or not, you’re in the service industry. If you don’t want to give good service because that’s your job maybe consider a new role in Karen’s Diner.

BN9 BHA · May 10, 2024

Justice said:
He tried bribing me with a couple of free pairs of sockets only if I removed the review first, that wound me up even more.

Did you actually get your original order or a refund?

heathgate · May 10, 2024

BevBHA said:
Well done you gave good service, so you did your job? That’s your job regardless of if you think a customer will tip or not, you’re in the service industry. If you don’t want to give good service because that’s your job maybe consider a new role in Karen’s Diner.

Oh I hope you drift in to our little establishment..... oh how I wish it....

Gwylan · May 10, 2024

My son is a bar supervisor in a nightclub. I was staggered when he told me that he regularly gets £40 to £60 a night in tips. He works long hours so he deserves some appreciation but that's a handy sum of money of top of his wages.

Paddington Gal · May 10, 2024

Being an old publican the common form of tipping was "and have one for yourself ". Obviously as times passed by staff were stopped from drinking while on duty ( health and safety , not knowing when to stop etc), the normal thing was " I'll have an half please guv". Great times.

I stopped tipping on the day the Amex opened. Down from London with a Spurs fan pal of mine, we were on the sauce after the game. Enjoying the delights West St could throw at us, we found ourselves in the Half Moon in Middle Street. My pal knew a previous landlady many years previous who used to get a 60+ year old stripper in to entertain the clientele.
Anyway I ordered a couple of pints and upon payment I offered " one for yourself " and promptly handed over a £20 pound note. The very bohemian barmaid promptly gave me my change. A full fu***ng 20p. Now bearing in mind a lager and a bitter were well under a tenner at this time, it had me scratching my head. Now curiosity has got hold of me and I asked her what she had. A double vodka red bull was her reply as she stuck a tenner in her tip jar.
Never again unless I receive exceptional service which is a rarity these days

OzMike · May 11, 2024

Tips stands for 'To Insure Prompt Service', and was initially given when arriving at the restuarant to make sure that you were treated well and that everything went smoothly.
I am a tipper, but only if the above is evident, if not, then not tipping and not coming back.
From what I have seen since being here, Aussies don't tip much and seem to struggle using a knife and fork.

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