[News] China hacks the ministry of defence

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Randy McNob

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when they say "China" presumably this would be a rogue hacker based in China rather than the Chinese State Government, but I suppose it's suits a xenephobic narrative the government likes to peddle
 


Nobby Cybergoat

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when they say "China" presumably this would be a rogue hacker based in China rather than the Chinese State Government, but I suppose it's suits a xenephobic narrative the government likes to peddle

The CCP will certainly claim this if there's any concrete proof linking the attacks to China.

Don't think it's a xenophobic narrative to say the Chinese state has attacked us before. I'll wait to see what more details emerge on this one
 


Springal

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when they say "China" presumably this would be a rogue hacker based in China rather than the Chinese State Government, but I suppose it's suits a xenephobic narrative the government likes to peddle
Not really. Chinese government like the Russian government either directly or indirectly actively target western governments or enterprise organisations
 






albionalba

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when they say "China" presumably this would be a rogue hacker based in China rather than the Chinese State Government, but I suppose it's suits a xenephobic narrative the government likes to peddle
I understand your xenophobic narrative fears but given that (even) a rogue hacker couldn't use the internet in China easily without state acceptance I'm inclined to believe it.
 






Randy McNob

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I understand your xenophobic narrative fears but given that (even) a rogue hacker couldn't use the internet in China easily without state acceptance I'm inclined to believe it.
Just like that Chinese balloon that was supposedly spying on America, that was never proven but most people accepted it was China. Unless they can prove it or China admitted it then it wasn't China / end of
 


WATFORD zero

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Too much privatisation to third parties especially in the military. Cheap labour.

To be fair, a large proportion of companies outsource their payroll to keep employees salary info confidential :laugh:

I remember back in the days of Mainframes and impact printers having to explain to one of the big five banks that having encrypted data files being printed onto confidential payslip stationary wasn't secure if their operations team knew how to use carbon paper. Most places back then, if you wanted to know anyone's salary, just ask the overnight operations teams :facepalm:
 
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Springal

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Just like that Chinese balloon that was supposedly spying on America, that was never proven but most people accepted it was China. Unless they can prove it or China admitted it then it wasn't China / end of
To early in this instance of course but there’s huge amounts of evidence the Chinese sponsor attacks on western entities. Even if it’s not the government itself, it’s encouraged by organisations in their country or even supported by the government.
 






Thunder Bolt

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To be fair, a large proportion of companies outsource their payroll to keep employees salary info confidential :laugh:

I remember back in the days of Mainframes and impact printers having to explain to one of the big five banks that having encrypted data files being printed onto confidential payslip stationary wasn't secure if their operations team knew how to use carbon paper. Most places back then, if you wanted to know anyone's salary, just ask the overnight operations teams :facepalm:
I don't think the amount someone is paid is particularly of use to anyone but where the pay is sent and what currency it is in, is very relevant.
 


WATFORD zero

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I don't think the amount someone is paid is particularly of use to anyone but where the pay is sent and what currency it is in, is very relevant.

The amount people were being paid was the hottest gossip in a lot of places I worked :wink:

If this 'getting hacked' consists of getting a few people's bank details then I think the publicity around it will be far more important to any hacker (particularly if another State) than any actual information taken.
 
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Mellotron

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when they say "China" presumably this would be a rogue hacker based in China rather than the Chinese State Government, but I suppose it's suits a xenephobic narrative the government likes to peddle
Hang on, you don't think governments spy on each other? Really?!
 




Greg Bobkin

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Has the Daily Mail/Express blamed Meghan yet? Or immigrants or Sadiq Khan?
 




Zeberdi

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when they say "China" presumably this would be a rogue hacker based in China rather than the Chinese State Government, but I suppose it's suits a xenephobic narrative the government likes to peddle
I don’t think you can pin this on Tory xenophobia or ‘rogue hackers’ - there is plenty of evidence that Chinese backed spy agencies and Chinese contracted security firms (and those of Russia) have carried out cyberattacks on the West - in fact it is a major security risk now and they are increasing in sophistication and frequency. There is a limit to plausible deniability when you have a Country like China, where the Chinese Communist Party and the State are effectively a fusion of one centralised system of governance.

We have the same capabilities (and probably carry out a similar level of attacks)
 




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