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Audax

Audax

Boing boing boing...
Aug 3, 2015
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TomandJerry said:
Goodness me we've dropped so low:

"Civil servants must obey ministers if ordered to ignore ECHR injunctions blocking Rwanda flights, Sunak says"
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I would not be surprised if we see a sequence like this as the year progresses:

* First Rwanda flight is booked.
* Those scheduled to be on that flight launch ECHR challenge.
* Airline that initially agreed to do it backs out after it causes PR nightmare.
* Government reverts to using RAF planes.
* ECHR injunction blocks flight.
* Ministers order civil servants / RAF to ignore injunction.
* Civil servants / RAF crew launch own case in UK courts and/or resign in protest.
* Next General Election gets postponed longer and longer because Sunak is so hellbent on getting a flight off the ground before going to the polls.
* Flight continues to be delayed by ongoing court cases and civil service / RAF reluctance.
* GE is held in January 2025 at the lastest possible legal date; no flight ever gets off the ground.
 


Stat Brother

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Jul 11, 2003
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They've got nowhere to go in Rwanda, as the Rwandan government have sold off the housing we bought.
 
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Harry Wilson's Tackle
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Oct 8, 2003
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jcdenton08 said:
Very sad every time this happens. Nothing else to be said really. Not sure what it has to do with the Tories though? These tragedies would happen under any government.
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It has to do with the Tories in as much as they have unleashed their strategy to stop all this today. And the strategy has been widely mocked for pretty much every reason: costs, impracticability, and the fact it is not likely to be a deterrent to those wishing to make the channel crossing. The strategy became law yesterday. Today more people died trying to cross the channel.
 


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Oct 8, 2003
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Audax said:
I would not be surprised if we see a sequence like this as the year progresses:

* First Rwanda flight is booked.
* Those scheduled to be on that flight launch ECHR challenge.
* Airline that initially agreed to do it backs out after it causes PR nightmare.
* Government reverts to using RAF planes.
* ECHR injunction blocks flight.
* Ministers order civil servants / RAF to ignore injunction.
* Civil servants / RAF crew launch own case in UK courts and/or resign in protest.
* Next General Election gets postponed longer and longer because Sunak is so hellbent on getting a flight off the ground before going to the polls.
* Flight continues to be delayed by ongoing court cases and civil service / RAF reluctance.
* GE is held in January 2025 at the lastest possible legal date; no flight ever gets off the ground.
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And these Tories are defenestrated in the election.
Hopefully.
The absolute floaters.
 




Eric the meek

Eric the meek

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Aug 24, 2020
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I still find it difficult to get my head round how a major UK political party could come up with the idea of sending asylum seekers to Rwanda, claiming it is a safe country. And then trying to bulldoze their way through any court decision that gets in their way.

The stultifying arrogance of it. It's the kind of thing that happens in other countries. Not Britain.
 


vegster

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Tubby Mondays

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Eric the meek said:
I still find it difficult to get my head round how a major UK political party could come up with the idea of sending asylum seekers to Rwanda, claiming it is a safe country. And then trying to bulldoze their way through any court decision that gets in their way.

The stultifying arrogance of it. It's the kind of thing that happens in other countries. Not Britain.
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Yeah and you just know that even if planes do ever take off and the boats keep coming, which they will, and people keep dying, which they will, that no one would ever admit that this policy is wrong and hateful.
 


Scappa

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Jul 5, 2017
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Eric the meek said:
I still find it difficult to get my head round how a major UK political party could come up with the idea of sending asylum seekers to Rwanda, claiming it is a safe country. And then trying to bulldoze their way through any court decision that gets in their way.

The stultifying arrogance of it. It's the kind of thing that happens in other countries. Not Britain.
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While granting four Rwandans "refugee status in the UK over “well-founded” fears of persecution at the same time as the government was arguing in court and parliament that the east African country was a safe place to send asylum seekers."

www.theguardian.com

Revealed: UK granted asylum to Rwandan refugees while arguing country was safe

Home Office said refugees’ fear of persecution was ‘well-founded’, undermining Rishi Sunak’s claims about East African country
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TomandJerry

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Oct 1, 2013
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The magic money tree has been found

"We will increase defence spending to a new baseline of 2.5% of GDP by 2030. That starts today, and rises steadily in each and every year.


Over the next six years we’ll invest an additional £75bn pounds in our defence and it will be fully funded, with no increase in borrowing or debt."
 


Stat Brother

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Jul 11, 2003
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TomandJerry said:
The magic money tree has been found

"We will increase defence spending to a new baseline of 2.5% of GDP by 2030. That starts today, and rises steadily in each and every year.


Over the next six years we’ll invest an additional £75bn pounds in our defence and it will be fully funded, with no increase in borrowing or debt."
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See all those MP directorships weren't a waste of money.
 


Bob!

Bob!

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Jul 5, 2003
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TomandJerry said:
The magic money tree has been found

"We will increase defence spending to a new baseline of 2.5% of GDP by 2030. That starts today, and rises steadily in each and every year.


Over the next six years we’ll invest an additional £75bn pounds in our defence and it will be fully funded, with no increase in borrowing or debt."
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Another trap for when Labour win the GE?
 




Pavilionaire

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Jul 7, 2003
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TomandJerry said:
The magic money tree has been found

"We will increase defence spending to a new baseline of 2.5% of GDP by 2030. That starts today, and rises steadily in each and every year.


Over the next six years we’ll invest an additional £75bn pounds in our defence and it will be fully funded, with no increase in borrowing or debt."
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I bet the doyen of disaster capitalism Jacob Rees-Mogg's offshore investment trusts have snaffled a load of defence industry stocks in anticipation of lovely government contracts coming their way.
 


Thunder Bolt

Thunder Bolt

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Aug 18, 2009
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TomandJerry said:
The magic money tree has been found

"We will increase defence spending to a new baseline of 2.5% of GDP by 2030. That starts today, and rises steadily in each and every year.


Over the next six years we’ll invest an additional £75bn pounds in our defence and it will be fully funded, with no increase in borrowing or debt."
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I'll believe it when I see it. What we have now is shoddy, and breaks down easily.
 


Audax

Audax

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Aug 3, 2015
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Nobby Cybergoat

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I wouldn't bet too much money that Rwanda won't just pull out of the whole scheme.

Which will teach us a valuable and incredibly expensive lesson, that Africa isn't our dustbin
 






WATFORD zero

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jcdenton08 said:
Very sad every time this happens. Nothing else to be said really. Not sure what it has to do with the Tories though? These tragedies would happen under any government.
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It would indeed happen under any Government that during their time in office increased the numbers crossing the channel and backlog of cases as follows :

Boat Crossings
(Numbers weren't recorded prior to 2018 as the government thought them inconsequential).
2018 - 299
2019 - 1,890
2020 - 8,466
2021 - 28,526
2022 - 45,755

Asylum Backlog
2012 - 9,800
2018 - 27,000
2022 - 161,000

by undertaking the following four steps

1. Remove the ability to claim Asylum from abroad.
2. Close legal Asylum routes to claimants.
3. Stop working with Interpol again to target people traffickers
4. Cut the numbers of caseworkers processing applications increasing the backlog.

And then round it off by spending as much money (to date) on a completely farcical, unimplementable plan as it would have taken to employ extra staff and clear the backlog three times over with money to spare.

These tragedies would indeed happen under any Government that did all that, not just the Tories :facepalm:
 
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