Cornwallboy
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Probably not no, I wasn't saying they would I was thinking 'ideal scenario.'
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[Politics] Sunak's benefits shake up
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Uh_huh_him
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why?
Cornwallboy
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He is signed off at present with various mental health 'issues.' There is absolutely nothing wrong with him by his own admission he just doesn't want to work. It's a shame as he's a really intelligent guy.
Uh_huh_him
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Which is probably why he doesn't want to work.
Cornwallboy
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What cos he's signed off or cos he's intelligent ?
Pavilionaire
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It is pathetic to see the Tories rolling out a playbook that is over 40 years old, punching down on the weakest and most vulnerable in society, demonising the homeless, jobless, the sick and immigrants.
Punching down worked in the early 80s when Britain was still a casually sexist, racist and homophobic place and The Sun called the shots. We loved a common enemy back then, so no wonder the Tories have tried to turn the country back to a pre-EU state. Tory politics hasn't moved with the times, so maybe their party IS dead?
Punching down worked in the early 80s when Britain was still a casually sexist, racist and homophobic place and The Sun called the shots. We loved a common enemy back then, so no wonder the Tories have tried to turn the country back to a pre-EU state. Tory politics hasn't moved with the times, so maybe their party IS dead?
Barnet Seagull
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And this is why we should tax much more broadly than just income.Well it was you that quoted some statistics here
The source for this statistic ? (Which even you must understand would look VERY different without pensioners)
https://www.civitas.org.uk/publications/an-analysis-of-the-effects-of-taxes-and-benefits-on-household-income/#:~:text=This analysis of Office for,than they paid in taxes.
Civitas, a right wing think tank based at 55 Tufton Street . If you use these organisations as the basis for your information, then it really shouldn't be a surprise that you would find this message board very left wing. Ever been had ?
Uh_huh_him
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Because he has assessed what he's likely to earn for his time lost and decided he'd rather game the system.
Is it really any different to tax evaders?
People gaming the system to suit themselves.
Much smaller sums involved.
Brian Fantana
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If he's able to game the system currently, what makes you so sure that he won't be able to continue doing so under any proposed changes?
One of the major arguments put AGAINST lockdown by right wingers is that it would affect people's mental health.
It's certainly had an affect on the mental health of many young people who were school age when Covid hit. It's factually documented that school refusal and anxiety is through the roof. My own daughter is far more anxious these days than she was in 2019. Hardly surprising is it?
Cornwallboy
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Based on what's he has said in response to previous 'crackdowns.' 'Play their game for a while and they soon leave you alone.'
Cornwallboy
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Agree not very surprising and I hope your daughter's anxiety eases over time.
Brian Fantana
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That's my exact point. These 'crackdowns' will still allow people through the gaps who have become adept at playing the system, whilst genuine claimants without so much knowledge of the system might struggle to get the help and support they're entitled to.
I had to go on JSA for a short while a few years ago. They literally never stopped threatening me the entire 4 months.
Threatening to send me to unpaid work placements.
Make me spend 8 hours a day in their job centre looking for work.
Threatening to sanction me.
Treated me like scum.
I guess if you can endure that, you can get away with living on the rock n roll for life?
Threatening to send me to unpaid work placements.
Make me spend 8 hours a day in their job centre looking for work.
Threatening to sanction me.
Treated me like scum.
I guess if you can endure that, you can get away with living on the rock n roll for life?
If it feels like the youth of this country is work-shy then I'd advise that factually there is little to support that apart from some very angry richer older people (not yourself @dwayne, I'm talking about the likes of 30p Lee, and JRM) yelling it as loud as they can in the media. UK youth unemployment rates are currently some of the lowest this country has ever seen, with the current rate of 12.1% of 16-24 year olds in December 2023 to February 2024, actually being 0.5% lower than pre-pandemic levels. This is also considerably lower than pre-2008 economic crash levels, when the number hovered around 14%.
Cornwallboy
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My hope is that the genuine continue to receive help and that the lazy don't.
Iggle Piggle
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The only post on this thread really worth reading albeit I've liked a few along the way.
An argument about a thing that will never happen that has bought out the worst in a few to make their points with views that will never change no matter what is written.
Bring back the spoons thread.
Brian Fantana
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And that's a very noble take, which I'm sure pretty much everyone would agree with. The issue though, which you've helpfully alluded to with your own personal example, is that separating genuine from the lazy isn't something that is easily done. Especially when the suggestions are to take the fit for work decision away from a GP and onto someone with less knowledge and potentially no medical training. Who would you better trust to spot a genuine mental health issue versus something trying it on? A GP or someone non-medical?
Cornwallboy
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A GP.
Huh? It’s been a perfectly respectful discussion. Not sure what thread you’ve been reading.