[Football] FFP instead of points deduction, a luxury fine !!

Psychobilly freakout · Apr 5, 2024

I had to check I had not slept in for 4 days and this was April 1st.

So some greedy poorly run clubs are pushing for instead of a points deduction they would like a fine for overspending....

That makes sense.

I know it is the Mirror, but there must be some truth to this.

Premier League points deduction row sees clubs in revolt as bosses stand firm

Premier League chief Richard Masters is standing his ground over deducting points and sporting sanctions, as clubs push for a new "luxury tax" fine system - allowing billionaire's to spend as they please

www.mirror.co.uk

Birdie Boy · Apr 5, 2024

Well that's defeating the point. So they over spend by £30m, get a £30m fine and have now over spent by £60m! They will clearly then get another fine the following season.

Justice · Apr 5, 2024

American influence they have this in the NFL I believe they can only over spend by £30m it’s not an unlimited spend what you want.

Super Steve Earle · Apr 5, 2024

A points deduction is a real deterrent which forces a bit of equality across the Premier League. Just adding fines to clubs with unlimited wealth just means they will Hoover up the trophies and pay the fines later. The cheats will prosper. Poorly run clubs will struggle more financially as they gamble on success paying off their fines and bigger clubs will carry on regardless.

m20gull · Apr 5, 2024

Justice said:
American influence they have this in the NFL I believe they can only over spend by £30m it’s not an unlimited spend what you want.

The NFL isn't the model that's being touted. The NBA, which is, does seems to allow you to keep spending and just pay higher amounts of 'tax'. I say "seems" because I'm new to the subject and it seems crazily complicated. The USA has a thing for trying to keep sports competitive but this sounds like the old system that allowed Leicester, QPR and Bournemouth to cheat and just haggle over the fines. No real consequences if you have the deep pockets.

One Teddy Maybank · Apr 5, 2024

Absolutely ridiculous.

Cheats apparently prosper….

southstandandy · Apr 5, 2024

Points deductions have to be the penalty as it hurts the most. Fines will just be paid and allow the super rich to just keep on buying trophies and titles.

stewardxxx · Apr 5, 2024

I'm sure that the Man City case won't be heard until this has been put in place...

brighton_tom · Apr 5, 2024

The basis of FFP originally was to keep teams spending within their means, and to keep them on a path where they're not losing millions each season, so to introduce a fine for overspending is just idiotic. Defeats the whole purpose. The smaller clubs will be kept in their lane because they cant afford to overspend and then get a fine, as it would put them in meaningful financial trouble, but the big oil clubs can just think 'ah f*** it, whats another XXX million spent this year'.

Commander · Apr 5, 2024

Can't see a problem with this...

If all fines go directly to the clubs that have played by the rules.

Stumpy Tim · Apr 5, 2024

Commander said:
Can't see a problem with this...

If all fines go directly to the clubs that have played by the rules.

This. If the fines are high enough, I actually quite like the idea. The Premier League this season is a mess as no one knows what's happening. This morning they're saying there will be points deductions for the extreme cases (Man City & Chelsea for example).

drew · Apr 5, 2024

Don't agree with this at all. I think this whole P&SR/FFP etc saga will fall flat if Man City and/or Chelsea aren't penalised heavily with points deductions for their misdemeanors. If that's the case then fines might be the only answer however I would suggest that fines should be a percentage of turnover and, as Commander says, should be distributed between the clubs that have been within the rules.

happypig · Apr 5, 2024

In criminal justice fines only really work for the majority of people who are in “the middle”; Those with a lot of money, and those with none, suffer very little effect.
If you fine someone who is very rich, it’s not punitive at all, they will be unaffected because they have plenty of financial “slack”.
Driving offences, with penalty points, tend to penalise equally.
The only real way to punish clubs who breach FFP is by a points deduction (or, in extremis, expulsion) but that needs to be made more transparent with a sliding scale; eg breach by 0-£10m 2 points, £10-£20m 4 points etc. If over a certain amount, or repeated breached, then expulsion from the league (not relegation, throw the cheating b…..ds out and let them start wherever they can).

Psychobilly freakout · Apr 5, 2024

happypig said:
In criminal justice fines only really work for the majority of people who are in “the middle”; Those with a lot of money, and those with none, suffer very little effect.
If you fine someone who is very rich, it’s not punitive at all, they will be unaffected because they have plenty of financial “slack”.
Driving offences, with penalty points, tend to penalise equally.
The only real way to punish clubs who breach FFP is by a points deduction (or, in extremis, expulsion) but that needs to be made more transparent with a sliding scale; eg breach by 0-£10m 2 points, £10-£20m 4 points etc. If over a certain amount, or repeated breached, then expulsion from the league (not relegation, throw the cheating b…..ds out and let them start wherever they can).

This, especially the sliding scale proposal, so everyone knows from the get go.
It is so simple, why can't that work, if you make it complicated, you give reason for doubt, which a cynical person could then think was made complicated so it could ultimately be picked apart.

Eeyore · Apr 5, 2024

stewardxxx said:
I'm sure that the Man City case won't be heard until this has been put in place...

Well, quite

'£100m ? Can you take it over the phone ? It's a Bank of Qatar Visa Card..'

Farehamseagull · Apr 5, 2024

This was always going to happen. The big and big spending clubs will do everything they can to change or get around these rules until they are loosened.

JetsetJimbo · Apr 5, 2024

Commander said:
Can't see a problem with this...

If all fines go directly to the clubs that have played by the rules.

This absolutely will not happen, and anyone who thinks it will should hand me their wallet because it's time for their wallet inspection.

brighton_tom · Apr 5, 2024

So a club could overspend, get a pitiful fine, appeal the decision, have the fine reduced to a meaningless amount, and carry on as usual... Sounds about right

Commander · Apr 5, 2024

JetsetJimbo said:
This absolutely will not happen, and anyone who thinks it will should hand me their wallet because it's time for their wallet inspection.

Of course. I was just saying that if it actually did happen, it could be a good system.

Greg Bobkin · Apr 5, 2024

Commander said:
Can't see a problem with this...

If all fines go directly to the clubs that have played by the rules.

That's pretty much what it says in the article, which is great news for the Albion :thumbsup:

JetsetJimbo said:
This absolutely will not happen, and anyone who thinks it will should hand me their wallet because it's time for their wallet inspection.

However, I also agree that THIS is the more likely scenario. Once the PL take out 'admin' fees and 'costs', then there will probably be about 15 quid to share among the people who play by the rules.

Some of the clubs with very deep pockets will just completely abuse the system, be perfectly willing and able to pay the fine – and won't give a shite where it ends up. Farce.

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