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Pevenseagull

Pevenseagull

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Jul 20, 2003
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Eeyore said:
It's as if they are just not bothered anymore. But I think the knighthood to Phillip Davies was just about the bottom of the barrel.
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A remarkable individual who seems to have the ability to regularly find a way of being more reprehensible than the official Tory line.

I'm going to suggest that the title is a bribe to stop him going to Reform. I hope it doesn't work.
 


WATFORD zero

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Jul 10, 2003
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From out of nowhere, a brilliant 'the Hawk' type diving header own goal from our wonderful Government :lolol:

‘Tourists stay away’ – so warns the ruling party of failed-state Britain​

The UK is going one better. As English Tourism Week 2024 ended last week, the governing party embarked on a campaign to frighten away prospective visitors.

The capital, according to the Conservatives’ new social media campaign, “has become a crime capital of the world”. A video put out by the ruling party paints a chilling picture of the city: “Gripped by the tendrils of rising crime, London’s citizens stay inside. The streets are quiet. Quieter at night now than they used to be.” Who is responsible for this alarming state of affairs? The Labour Party, apparently.

“Have you utterly lost the plot?” So asks London’s tourism recovery board co-chair Bernard Donoghue. “This is a wonderful way to mark the end of English Tourism Week,” he continues. “These reckless, alarming, scaremongering lies and trashing of London – we depend on domestic and overseas visitors – is appalling.”

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/ne...1&cvid=94748b6ef8ac4d2b8b24da4147816444&ei=25

It's just lucky that we are in such a fine financial state that losing a few more million is neither here nor there. And 1 in 5 will still vote for more of this (and probably have this thread on Ignore as they don't 'do' politics) :dunce:
 


Hugo Rune

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WATFORD zero said:
From out of nowhere, a brilliant 'the Hawk' type diving header own goal from our wonderful Government :lolol:

‘Tourists stay away’ – so warns the ruling party of failed-state Britain​

The UK is going one better. As English Tourism Week 2024 ended last week, the governing party embarked on a campaign to frighten away prospective visitors.

The capital, according to the Conservatives’ new social media campaign, “has become a crime capital of the world”. A video put out by the ruling party paints a chilling picture of the city: “Gripped by the tendrils of rising crime, London’s citizens stay inside. The streets are quiet. Quieter at night now than they used to be.” Who is responsible for this alarming state of affairs? The Labour Party, apparently.

“Have you utterly lost the plot?” So asks London’s tourism recovery board co-chair Bernard Donoghue. “This is a wonderful way to mark the end of English Tourism Week,” he continues. “These reckless, alarming, scaremongering lies and trashing of London – we depend on domestic and overseas visitors – is appalling.”

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/ne...1&cvid=94748b6ef8ac4d2b8b24da4147816444&ei=25

It's just lucky that we are in such a fine financial state that losing a few more million is neither here nor there. And 1 in 5 will still vote for more of this (and probably have this thread on Ignore as they don't 'do' politics) :dunce:
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1 in 5 will watch this video and think two things before they vote Tory later this year.

1. At least she isn’t Jeremy Corbyn.
2. They are all the same anyway.

 




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After this weekend’s polls, I think we can confidently say that labour will have a big enough majority after the GE to be able do implement any policy they want to. But is the country and just as significantly, our society, so broken that it’s impossible to repair? Every where you look from the water companies, railways and the nhs to inequality and poverty levels, lack of food security and climate change policies, the solutions (if they exist) will cost £billions that we don’t have. We also have a “I, me, mine” society that will resist rises in taxes or the concept of giving a bit to make the lives of those less well off a little better. Then throw in Trump, Putin and the real possibility of global war….
The change in gov that’s coming will be welcome on so many levels but I I cannot see anyone achieving meaningful change because the task is just too impossible and vast.
 




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abc said:
After this weekend’s polls, I think we can confidently say that labour will have a big enough majority after the GE to be able do implement any policy they want to. But is the country and just as significantly, our society, so broken that it’s impossible to repair? Every where you look from the water companies, railways and the nhs to inequality and poverty levels, lack of food security and climate change policies, the solutions (if they exist) will cost £billions that we don’t have. We also have a “I, me, mine” society that will resist rises in taxes or the concept of giving a bit to make the lives of those less well off a little better. Then throw in Trump, Putin and the real possibility of global war….
The change in gov that’s coming will be welcome on so many levels but I I cannot see anyone achieving meaningful change because the task is just too impossible and vast.
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Whilst I don't agree with all the detail of your post, I agree with your conclusion - the task is (almost) impossible. Probably.

I just don't think we can afford the "lifestyle" we have tried to create. We can't afford all the doctors and nurses we want; we can't afford to mend the potholes in the roads; we can't afford to service all the libraries and swimming pools we have built; we can't afford a proper army, navy and air force - we can't even afford to pay for a crew for all the (very few) warships we do have; we can't afford to replace all the Victorian water and drainage infrastructure, let alone to modernise it to cater for new requirements for a much bigger population; it doesn't seem we can afford to build new power stations - just the short term measure of buying in from France and Norway.

Taking ever more money off ever less of "the rich" is not an answer. At best, it might paper over some cracks.

Apart from that, everything is fine.
 




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Machiavelli

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abc said:
After this weekend’s polls, I think we can confidently say that labour will have a big enough majority after the GE to be able do implement any policy they want to. But is the country and just as significantly, our society, so broken that it’s impossible to repair? Every where you look from the water companies, railways and the nhs to inequality and poverty levels, lack of food security and climate change policies, the solutions (if they exist) will cost £billions that we don’t have. We also have a “I, me, mine” society that will resist rises in taxes or the concept of giving a bit to make the lives of those less well off a little better. Then throw in Trump, Putin and the real possibility of global war….
The change in gov that’s coming will be welcome on so many levels but I I cannot see anyone achieving meaningful change because the task is just too impossible and vast.
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And there you have it, now the futility argument being rolled out. I do wonder how we got a NHS, as just one example.
 




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Nov 30, 2010
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Me Atome said:
Whilst I don't agree with all the detail of your post, I agree with your conclusion - the task is (almost) impossible. Probably.

I just don't think we can afford the "lifestyle" we have tried to create. We can't afford all the doctors and nurses we want; we can't afford to mend the potholes in the roads; we can't afford to service all the libraries and swimming pools we have built; we can't afford a proper army, navy and air force - we can't even afford to pay for a crew for all the (very few) warships we do have; we can't afford to replace all the Victorian water and drainage infrastructure, let alone to modernise it to cater for new requirements for a much bigger population; it doesn't seem we can afford to build new power stations - just the short term measure of buying in from France and Norway.

Taking ever more money off ever less of "the rich" is not an answer. At best, it might paper over some cracks.

Apart from that, everything is fine.
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I think we don’t necessarily need to increase taxes, we need to make people and companies pay the tax that is right.

Take our pm for example, he earns over £2m last year and paid an effective rate of tax of circa 23%! I just don’t understand how we allow this when earnings over about 125k should be taxed at 45%? Just look at all the companies trading here that pay minimal tax.

Then you look how the money is spent, there is so much waste and vanity projects. Take the traffic lights replacing the roundabout in Burgess Hill, and the cycle lanes no one wanted and you can’t use as they are a death trap.

They spent millions on this and we now have queues and traffic congestion we never had before. Imagine that money going into things we actually need. This happens every day up and down the country.
 




Stat Brother

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virtual22 said:
Imagine that money going into things we actually need. This happens every day up and down the country.
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What 'we' need or what you want?
 




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Oct 1, 2013
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Ministers are facing a revolt from their own MPs over plans to criminalise homelessness in upcoming legislation.

Under proposals that form part of the UK government’s flagship crime bill, police in England and Wales are to be given powers to fine or move on rough sleepers deemed to be causing a “nuisance”.


The move has infuriated many Conservative MPs, about 40 of whom have warned whips they will vote against the measures, the Times reported.
 








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Jul 16, 2003
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TomandJerry said:
Ministers are facing a revolt from their own MPs over plans to criminalise homelessness in upcoming legislation.

Under proposals that form part of the UK government’s flagship crime bill, police in England and Wales are to be given powers to fine or move on rough sleepers deemed to be causing a “nuisance”.


The move has infuriated many Conservative MPs, about 40 of whom have warned whips they will vote against the measures, the Times reported.
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Hahaha. What a complete waste of police time

Along with the SNPs new laws on hate crime reporting the police will not have time to deal with anything serious
 






Audax

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Aug 3, 2015
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jcdenton08 said:
This is folly to think they’ll be out arresting unhoused people because they smell bad
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The thing that really stinks (sorry) about this is that whoever briefed this up seems to be under the illusion that homeless people have £2500 lying around to pay fines. It's like they think it's some kind of lifestyle choice, rather than something that the homeless find themselves forced into because of extreme poverty.
 


Pevenseagull

Pevenseagull

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Jul 20, 2003
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TomandJerry said:
Ministers are facing a revolt from their own MPs over plans to criminalise homelessness in upcoming legislation.

Under proposals that form part of the UK government’s flagship crime bill, police in England and Wales are to be given powers to fine or move on rough sleepers deemed to be causing a “nuisance”.


The move has infuriated many Conservative MPs, about 40 of whom have warned whips they will vote against the measures, the Times reported.
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proposals so mean and nasty that Iain Duncan Smth is against them.
 


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