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[Politics] Donald Trump 2024



beorhthelm

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Jul 21, 2003
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You cannot for a moment believe that the majority of his core supporters would have the intellectual capacity to understand the retrospectively applied nuance of what he was referring to when he used the term "bloodbath".
the vast majority of his supporters wouldn't have watched the original speech. they'll first see the headline reactions, then the counter-claims of a "hoax". whether manner said was deliberate or not, the media played along, either a predictable part or creating an issue.
 
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Peteinblack

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I still think and hope Trump is unsuccessful in his attempt to regain the presidency and that’s based on his struggle to raise the finance to pay for his various convictions
Problem is, though, that:

a) If Trump gets re-elected, he'll claim that it was in spite of the 'deep state conspiracy' against him - "Look how strong I am. They couldn't stop me." Then the revenge and reprisals against his political opponents and critics will begin - a new era of McCarthyism and witch-hunts; Cancel Culture on steroids.

b) If Trump loses the election, he and his Zombie followers will claim that it was because of the 'deep state' conspiracy' against him - near-Civil War will erupt on the streets which he will actively provoke, but then blame on 'Democrat mobs', before calling on the army and police to 'restore order' by locking-up Democrats for treason. I can even imagine him and his supporters calling for a military coup 'to save America'.

It is absolutely impossible to have any serious debate or discussion with the MAGA crowd; they only see and hear what they want to see and hear. Everything else is dismissed as Fake News or 'Sleepy Joe's Woke Marxist Democrat Propaganda'
 
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nicko31

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Kinky Gerbil

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I wasn’t aware of these but it is not surprising- Trump has numerous civil lawsuits filed against him - he did before he even became President.

However - These are minor civil cases brought by the civil rights organisation, NAACP to which Democratic lawmakers (in their capacity as House Committee members) joined in suit. It was about Trump‘s role in the attack on the Capitol on Jan 6 preventing members of Congress from tallying up the votes and subjecting them to a violent attack - hardly ‘victimising Trump’ - more the other way round.

As you say, the other documents case went no where and was part of the oversight of a sitting President who was using his personal property (The Trump International Hotel in Washington) to make money from people renting rooms because it gave them access and possible influence over the Whitehouse - again entirely appropriate line of investigation where there was an obvious conflict of interest and Trump using the Presidency for private enrichment.

Trump can’t break the law with impunity and then claim he is being victimised and witch-hunted when attempts are made to bring him to justice 😂 - that is absurd but I’m afraid it has been his modus operandi for decades.


I just can’t believe that in 10 months we could be going through all this again.

All plays into his role as a victim and it works, I just can't believe we are seeing the same mistakes by the same people as we did in 2016.

I don't know who you get in after these two poor options to break the cycle after they have gone.

For a short time it looked like it might be Newsome v Desantis race, however that isn't really much better looking at their states.
 


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I wasn’t aware of these but it is not surprising- Trump has numerous civil lawsuits filed against him - he did before he even became President.

However - These are minor civil cases brought by the civil rights organisation, NAACP to which Democratic lawmakers (in their capacity as House Committee members) joined in suit. It was about Trump‘s role in the attack on the Capitol on Jan 6 preventing members of Congress from tallying up the votes and subjecting them to a violent attack - hardly ‘victimising Trump’ - more the other way round.

As you say, the other documents case went no where and was part of the oversight of a sitting President who was using his personal property (The Trump International Hotel in Washington) to make money from people renting rooms because it gave them access and possible influence over the Whitehouse - again entirely appropriate line of investigation where there was an obvious conflict of interest and Trump using the Presidency for private enrichment.

Trump can’t break the law with impunity and then claim he is being victimised and witch-hunted when attempts are made to bring him to justice 😂 - that is absurd but I’m afraid it has been his modus operandi for decades.


I just can’t believe that in 10 months we could be going through all this again.
This.

If he sucks in more support by playing the victim, this is no reason to stop the turning of the wheels of justice.
 




herecomesaregular

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Oct 27, 2008
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Problem is, though, that:

a) If Trump gets re-elected, he'll claim that it was in spite of the 'deep state conspiracy' against him - "Look how strong I am. They couldn't stop me." Then the revenge and reprisals against his political opponents and critics will begin - a new era of McCarthyism and witch-hunts; Cancel Culture on steroids.

b) If Trump loses the election, he and his Zombie followers will claim that it was because of the 'deep state' conspiracy' against him - near-Civil War will erupt on the streets which he will actively provoke, but then blame on 'Democrat mobs', before calling on the army and police to 'restore order' by locking-up Democrats for treason. I can even imagine him and his supporters calling for a military coup 'to save America'.

It is absolutely impossible to have any serious debate or discussion with the MAGA crowd; they only see and hear what they want to see and hear. Everything else is dismissed as Fake News or 'Sleepy Joe's Woke Marxist Democrat Propaganda'
Awful to say it but really the best solution to the Trump problem is his death, as soon as possible. There's not many people I would say that about (Putin, obviously). What a state of affairs.
 








Curious Orange

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nicko31

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There's little point is trying to digest most US media on Trump or Biden, ridiculously partisan on both sides. If I haven't heard of the source, worth looking into the actors behind it first.

Usual giveaways are the use the word "truth", "unbiased","unfiltered","uncensored" or "independent". You don't hear AP, Reuters, BBC or NPR using these terms
 
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BadFish

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Oct 19, 2003
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Talking points…

Bit one sided that article though.

It really is describing what the media has always done but only attributing the practice to the media they don't like.

If they wish for a more honest, truthful and unbiased media then they have missed a trick in writing such a biased and dishonest piece.
 




Change at Barnham

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Can anyone reassure me and tell me that Trump is not going to be President of the most powerful country in the world again?
It seems inevitable from everything I can see.
Absolutely no criminal act he has performed has harmed him.

It seems unbelievable, but it’s happening.
It’s just like the gold bars sliding out of the vehicle in The Italian Job.
 




Stat Brother

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Can anyone reassure me and tell me that Trump is not going to be President of the most powerful country in the world again?
It seems inevitable from everything I can see.
Absolutely no criminal act he has performed has harmed him.

It seems unbelievable, but it’s happening.
It’s just like the gold bars sliding out of the vehicle in The Italian Job.
No - nobody should be able too.

This campaign is running in parallel with 2016.
The left (well centre right) can't believe anyone would vote for Trump.
Their incredulity is seen as mocking and belittling.
That entrenches the views of those being mocked.

The 'opposition' is offering up very little by way of facts and are behind seemingly the only person capable of losing.

This whole scenario is playing out exactly the same as 2016, Brexit, Johnson v Corbyn.
 
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Zeberdi

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Can anyone reassure me and tell me that Trump is not going to be President of the most powerful country in the world again?
It seems inevitable from everything I can see.
Absolutely no criminal act he has performed has harmed him.

It seems unbelievable, but it’s happening.
It’s just like the gold bars sliding out of the vehicle in The Italian Job.
No one has a crystal ball but word is on the ground, at least in Michigan, the Dems are very concerned about Trump but resigned themselves long ago to get behind Biden rather than field another candidate - there was a belief Biden would be the only one to beat him - that’s come back to haunt them - the majority of Dems support Biden and will vote for him just to keep out Trump but feel he is too old to do the job. I wrote to family members back in December 2022 who work for the DNC and said I thought it would be a mistake if Biden should stand for a second term - it didn’t go down very well!

Americans largely did not want a repeat of the 2016 race between these two candidates- they wanted a change. But they are polling support for Trump on policies. Biden’s immigration policies and his restructuring plan has yet to have an effect (in part because the Republicans in the Senate has blocked funding each step of the way) and the levels of post-Covid global inflation hurt Americans badly and while inflation levels have gone down, Biden is paying the price. Trump‘s isolationist policies and rhetoric is winning over large swathes of the electorate who believe by blocking imports from China (even at the risk of triggering world-wide trade wars and uncontrolled import tariffs) and drilling for oil in the Arctic National Reserve (against existing environmental regulations) Trump will give them more money in their pocket.

Not only is Trump an isolationist (when he doesn’t need his fascist friends to help get him elected). but he is a popularist who espouses whatever he thinks the electorate want to hear at the podium. It is difficult to counter that with an agenda that seeks global cooperation, equitable immigration policies and sustainable policies with regard to environmental protection and climate change. Biden’s policy of unconditionally supporting Israel has angered some of his support especially in Michigan but he has modified his approach somewhat in recent days. People forget too easily that Trump’s support for Netanyahu went so far as to come up with a ‘peace plan’ that moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem, handed over a third of the occupied territories in the West Bank to Israel and, ruled out a two State solution that would grant independence for the Palestinians - if the electorate think Trump’s policies on Israel will bring peace in the ME they are sorely mistaken and have very short memories.

In short, polls are indicating electors will vote for whoever promises to give them more money in their pocket - such is the shallow, gullible and selfish world we live in.

 


Badger Boy

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Jan 28, 2016
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Can anyone reassure me and tell me that Trump is not going to be President of the most powerful country in the world again?
It seems inevitable from everything I can see.
Absolutely no criminal act he has performed has harmed him.

It seems unbelievable, but it’s happening.
It’s just like the gold bars sliding out of the vehicle in The Italian Job.
It's all noise. He won't be president again. His supporters are vocal and passionate but there aren't enough of them.

I'm not 100% convinced he'll even be the nominee of the Republican party on election day. This is going to be an historic election in the US, genuinely the most insane and history-defying they've ever had.
 


Stat Brother

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It's all noise. He won't be president again. His supporters are vocal and passionate but there aren't enough of them.

I'm not 100% convinced he'll even be the nominee of the Republican party on election day. This is going to be an historic election in the US, genuinely the most insane and history-defying they've ever had.
My 'unbelieveable Jeff' of this election is the other way round.
The Dems are feeding Biden to Trump and then at the 11th hour swap him out for some young vibrate go getter - giving Trump nowhere to go.

Ain't gonna happen but it's a pipe dream to save my sanity.
 






Chicken Run

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Thank you @Zeberdi for your detailed reply. I'm hoping @Badger Boy is correct but unfortunately I think @Stat Brother is going to be more accurate.
It's too depressing and not good for anyone's mental health. Well, certainly not mine.
I know easier said than done but try your best not to allow the election of a President in a country over 3,000 nautical miles away and several time zones affect something as important as your personal mental health, unless of course you live there? Do you live there? If not one thing i’d suggest is to put this thread on ignore if the potential of Frump is affecting your mental health 👍
 


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