| 21. | Jason Steele |
Brighton & Hove Albion |
| 39 | |
| 22. | Bart Verbruggen |
Brighton & Hove Albion |
| 36 |
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[Albion] Was forcing Sanchez out the worst decision our club has made in years?
- Thread starter Kalimantan Gull
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ROSM
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I first looked at this thread on the coach back from stadio olimpico and put this down to a knee jerk reaction. That its rumbled on for 10 pages is mind numbingly strange.
I know everybody has their 'truth' on this and the club are no strangers to managing the media, however i had been told by people very close to the situation way in advance that there were issues in and around Sanchez. What is below is put together based on a number of things said including some loyal to sanchez.
Steele did his homework on rdz and tried to encourage the other keepers to. Some took the advice others didnt.
Sanchez was heavily affected by Roberts leaving. He had mentored as well as coached him. We can all understand that feeling.
Sanchez knew that there would be rotation for cup competitions. Steele did well in those games. Given the positive impression steele was making on the coaching staff by doing extra on his footwork and learning the sole roll it was looking good for him.
After the palace error there was pressure to drop sanchez. Rdz rarely drops a player straight after an error. However in training sanchez attitude after that error wasnt great. He still played against fulham but there was in game issues of not following instructions and some of the defenders were frustrated. Eventually he was replaced in much the same way as he had done to Ryan after steele played well again at stoke. But he was assured he was still part of the plan. He played at chelsea (he did ok) and the semi final (he did very well) where rdz resisted a lot of feeling to put steele in goal for the pens. However after that game he made digs about other players inc steele in and around the coaching staff. He expected to play at forest and didnt. After the everton game where apparently he sat on the bench laughing as goals went in he asked to see rdz and demanded in front of other players that he should be back in the team due to steele's errors.
He didnt get picked (it was explained that demeaning his team mates wasnt acceptable) and so he refused to be on the bench for arsenal and newcastle and after that he didnt get even asked again.
In my view he is potentially a great keeper but a bit naive and some of his reactions lacked some of the maturity coaches want hence why veltman, gross, lallana, dunk, welbeck are all key parts of rdz and potter previously structure. But there can only ever be one keeper in a team so you have to bide time, take the feedback and take your chance when it comes
I know everybody has their 'truth' on this and the club are no strangers to managing the media, however i had been told by people very close to the situation way in advance that there were issues in and around Sanchez. What is below is put together based on a number of things said including some loyal to sanchez.
Steele did his homework on rdz and tried to encourage the other keepers to. Some took the advice others didnt.
Sanchez was heavily affected by Roberts leaving. He had mentored as well as coached him. We can all understand that feeling.
Sanchez knew that there would be rotation for cup competitions. Steele did well in those games. Given the positive impression steele was making on the coaching staff by doing extra on his footwork and learning the sole roll it was looking good for him.
After the palace error there was pressure to drop sanchez. Rdz rarely drops a player straight after an error. However in training sanchez attitude after that error wasnt great. He still played against fulham but there was in game issues of not following instructions and some of the defenders were frustrated. Eventually he was replaced in much the same way as he had done to Ryan after steele played well again at stoke. But he was assured he was still part of the plan. He played at chelsea (he did ok) and the semi final (he did very well) where rdz resisted a lot of feeling to put steele in goal for the pens. However after that game he made digs about other players inc steele in and around the coaching staff. He expected to play at forest and didnt. After the everton game where apparently he sat on the bench laughing as goals went in he asked to see rdz and demanded in front of other players that he should be back in the team due to steele's errors.
He didnt get picked (it was explained that demeaning his team mates wasnt acceptable) and so he refused to be on the bench for arsenal and newcastle and after that he didnt get even asked again.
In my view he is potentially a great keeper but a bit naive and some of his reactions lacked some of the maturity coaches want hence why veltman, gross, lallana, dunk, welbeck are all key parts of rdz and potter previously structure. But there can only ever be one keeper in a team so you have to bide time, take the feedback and take your chance when it comes
nwgull
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That is just a raw stat for saves made though. It doesn’t account for games played or shots on target faced so isn’t particularly useful . Verbruggen’s save percentage is significantly higher than Steele’s.
21. Jason Steele 39 22. Bart Verbruggen 36
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Super Steve Earle
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A swap that put around £9m in Brighton's bank account.
nwgull
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The deal for Sanchez was an outstanding bit of business by BHA and equally laughable incompetence by Chelsea's recruitment team. 25m is a big fee for a 'keeper in normal circumstances (in the top 10 of biggest transfer fees??), but to pay that much for a player that clearly wasn't wanted by the manager - don't forget he had already been replaced by Verbruggen at that stage - is incredible
Thunder Bolt
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The operative word being might.
- Jul 10, 2003
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Was forcing Sanchez out the worst decision our club has made in years?
If he's starting regularly for a top six club, then quite possibly. If he isn't why would you keep bringing it up
TWOCHOICEStom
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A very polite way of saying he failed the no dickheads policy in spectacular fashion.
- Jul 10, 2003
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But he always seemed such a quiet, modest and sensible lad when he drove that dreadful car of his that sounded like a box of f***ing fireworks round our way at night
This thread is utter nonsense and comes from a place of total delusion. It’s like looking back at an ex partner and only seeing the brief good moments and being blind to all the bad times!
Sanchez was a total liability. We spent 2/3 years watching him unable to improve the basics of commanding his area at corners, flapping constantly at crosses into the box whilst doing superman impressions. Add in the fact he literally just dropped the ball and caused us to chuck away points on more than one occasion and was a walking mistake a lot of weeks.
Yes he made some good saves from time
to time but he’s not a top keeper and never was. The only reason he got the Chelsea move was due to Ben Roberts blind faith in him…the same Ben Roberts that was unable to iron out the mistakes in him whilst working with him for 3 years.
The fact he sulked and threw his toys out to me is irrelevant, he just wasn’t very good, that was the main issue.
Sanchez was a total liability. We spent 2/3 years watching him unable to improve the basics of commanding his area at corners, flapping constantly at crosses into the box whilst doing superman impressions. Add in the fact he literally just dropped the ball and caused us to chuck away points on more than one occasion and was a walking mistake a lot of weeks.
Yes he made some good saves from time
to time but he’s not a top keeper and never was. The only reason he got the Chelsea move was due to Ben Roberts blind faith in him…the same Ben Roberts that was unable to iron out the mistakes in him whilst working with him for 3 years.
The fact he sulked and threw his toys out to me is irrelevant, he just wasn’t very good, that was the main issue.
Nobby Cybergoat
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- Jul 19, 2021
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Super Steve Earle
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I hope you caught his toys when he threw them out to you. Not sure the opposite would be true
Kalimantan Gull
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- #193
I'll put you down as a 'no' then.
Kalimantan Gull
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- #195
Thanks for the detailed post. I won't dispute it, but i will just repeat the saying that history is written by the winners. Sanchez has gone and his story is set and any counter arguments will disappear on the breeze.
That said, what your post demonstrates is that he was dropped for his attitude rather than his ability, counter to what was publically said. And if dropping him was to give him a kick up the backside, he probably should have got his place back at some point.
And what it further demonstrates is that he was a talent who was difficult to manage, moreso after Roberts left, and that's a shame, because we have genuinely lost a talent.
I don’t quite understand but yeah why not!I hope you caught his toys when he threw them out to you. Not sure the opposite would be true
ROSM
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If that is your takeaway from what I wrote then fair enough. Football is a team sport. Even precocious talents like Cantona were still 100% focussed on the team outcome.
Ability comes in many forms and being able/willing to adapt to what you coach wants shows a wish to improve and better oneself for the longer term. Maybe being away with spain when the rest of the team were being schooled in the de zerbi way during the warm weather training during the world cup worked against him. But also maybe not getting the opportunities he wanted during that tournament (see Trossard) didnt help either.
Tom Hark Preston Park
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- Jul 6, 2003
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Was never a fan of Big Bob's thousand yard stare. Seemed to retreat inside his head sometimes
dejavuatbtn
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He scraped through the no dick heads test once, he ain’t gonna pass it next time.
Kalimantan Gull
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Football is a team sport, but nothing he did in the pitch suggested he wasn't committed to that. And how Cantona would have behaved if benched every game, I think we can all imagine.