BenGarfield
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Why do you think what the Rochdale Labour candidate
What the Labour candidate said was antisemitic? It’s possibly incorrect but why antisemitic?
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What the Labour candidate said was antisemitic? It’s possibly incorrect but why antisemitic?
aolstudios
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It's conspiracy theory piffle that's close to Antisemitic at the least. Add him blaming "People in the media from certain Jewish quarters" for another candidate's demise sealed the deal.
He appears to be a brain dead fool who has a problem with Jews & that's just going by what he's said on the record.
For Starmer to be prepared to give this seat away is a hell of a precedent (a good one, imo)
chip
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I think this thread demonstrates why humanity will always have these problems until we eventually wipe ourselves out.
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As do half the threads on NSC - people not listening, trolling threads or people they don’t like, not being able to see nuance in situations and incapable of stepping outside the echo chamber. But there are also great debates, informed discussions and compassion for others expressed too.
’Humanity’ isn’t perfect and reflects a broad spectrum of people, some of whom are genuinely good people and capable of embracing those that come from different cultural/ethnic backgrounds.
Humanity has the capacity for ’good’ as well as ‘bad’. It’s all down to the choices we make as to how we behave/live.
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We can do better than that.
Consider, mainstream telly no longer shows Bernard Manning, Love Thy Neighbour, or that other shite, name escapes me (language school, where we can all laugh at the silly foringers).
One, if one has the bent, can always find shite to wank over off the internet, and there will always be a swamp.
Meanwhile he rest of us can rise above, as we engage with better
"Mr Ali is alleged to have blamed "people in the media from certain Jewish quarters"
Which certain quarters would that be? The money lenders? The Zionists? The Great conspiracists? The usurers?
Or the antiquarians. Or the philosophers. The physicians. The architects?
Mmmmmm...........now let me think a bit............Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm........
You have the lol from AOL and have upset wrinkled Harry Wilson's Tackle. God knows why.
The slaughter continues.
Israel
nicko31
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Filmed over a year an insight of how life for the Palestinians in the West Bank has gone from bad to worse. Driven from their land by illegal Israeli settlers, meanwhile the army looks the other way.
A tough watch...
www.channel4.com
A tough watch...
West Bank settler expansion: a year on the frontline
In the West Bank tensions between Israelis and Palestinians have been a fact of life for decades.
www.channel4.com
Quoting the UN report.
''Palestinian women and girls have reportedly been arbitrarily executed in Gaza, often together with family members, including their children, according to information received. “We are shocked by reports of the deliberate targeting and extrajudicial killing of Palestinian women and children in places where they sought refuge, or while fleeing. Some of them were reportedly holding white pieces of cloth when they were killed by the Israeli army or affiliated forces,” the experts said''
''Palestinian women and girls have reportedly been arbitrarily executed in Gaza, often together with family members, including their children, according to information received. “We are shocked by reports of the deliberate targeting and extrajudicial killing of Palestinian women and children in places where they sought refuge, or while fleeing. Some of them were reportedly holding white pieces of cloth when they were killed by the Israeli army or affiliated forces,” the experts said''
Breaking news update: At least 104 killed and about 750 injured whilst trying to access aid (bags of flour).
BBC and Sky News have caught up with the news, and seek clarification from the IDF. Three available options:
1. Stampede
2. A truck (driven by a civilian)
3. Hamas
Alternatively:
BBC and Sky News have caught up with the news, and seek clarification from the IDF. Three available options:
1. Stampede
2. A truck (driven by a civilian)
3. Hamas
Alternatively:
IDF possible causes are ridiculous
1 Stampede - You can hear the gunfire
2 Truck runs them over - You can hear the gunfire
3 Hamas - This is northern Gaza that the IDF cleared out weeks ago.
1 Stampede - You can hear the gunfire
2 Truck runs them over - You can hear the gunfire
3 Hamas - This is northern Gaza that the IDF cleared out weeks ago.
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To some political cost I think.
Biden too - some Dems threatening to withholding their support for a President who is being referred to as ‘Genocide Joe’ in some quarters …and the Michigan Primary showed that Biden’s position on Gaza could alienate votes in swing states that have populations with a large Arab/Muslim demographic …
If Biden loses in November, don’t blame voters who are angry over Gaza | Arwa Mahdawi
We all know how devastating a second Trump term would be. It’s also important to understand the damage that Biden is doing by funding a plausible genocide
www.theguardian.com
”In a statement, Mr Netanyahu cited polls showing that more than 80% of Americans support Israel during the conflict in Gaza.”. However, ’supporting Israel’ and her right to exist and defend herself does not conflate with supporting genocidal policies towards the Palestinians as Netanyahu would like to suggest:
Israel-Gaza war: Netanyahu and Biden spar over support for conflict
Israel's PM says Americans back the war with Hamas, despite President Biden arguing it could "lose support".
www.bbc.co.uk
It disappoints me in the general lack of engagement, empathy or concern about events happening in Gaza and the West Bank. Not just here on NSC, but from politicians and public figures generally. No condemnation of Israel from either Tory or Labour (not surprising perhaps), and any murmur of dissent from anyone (i.e. Charlotte Church) is met with accusations of anti-semitism, smears and public shaming. No calls to send Netanyahu to The Hague, unlike with Putin over the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Instead we have reports, telling us that a bunch of Palestinians are dead, but not pointing the finger at those holding the smoking gun. There’s a dead body, but it’s all a complete mystery about who pulled the trigger. And the headlines (and sometimes even the main report itself) are all drenched in the passive voice.
I implore everyone who is at all curious or concerned about how these events are presented to us, to take a look for an alternative view at Aljazeera News. It's not perfect, but unlike most of Western media, it has actual reporters IN Gaza*, talking to people and observing events there, and not constantly having to self-censor for fear of upsetting the Israeli propaganda machine. Surely, it’s important to listen to the people who are directly affected by the events they experience? We don’t have to wait for Jeremy Bowen** sending his dispatches from Jerusalem, having to carefully watch his words, lest he accuse the Israelis of actual participation in a war that they are engaged in and that the US, UK and EU governments are actively enabling. Or Israeli spokespeople, to hear their accusations of anti-semitism towards anyone who questions their spinning of events.
We believed the reports from Israelis when Hamas attacked on the 7th October, and when, for example, 10 people were killed by Russian gunfire whilst waiting in a queue for bread. So why not the Palestinians?
*Around 120 reporters and press photographers (as well as many, many members of their families) have been killed by Israel so far. That there has been so little reporting about this is saddening and deeply shaming for the press in the West.
**I’m not attacking Jeremy Bowen here, for not reporting from Gaza. Western journalists are prevented from reporting from Gaza by Israel, because it’s too dangerous! Indeed, 55 journalists have sent an open letter calling on Israel and Egypt to provide "free and unfettered access to Gaza for all foreign media".
I implore everyone who is at all curious or concerned about how these events are presented to us, to take a look for an alternative view at Aljazeera News. It's not perfect, but unlike most of Western media, it has actual reporters IN Gaza*, talking to people and observing events there, and not constantly having to self-censor for fear of upsetting the Israeli propaganda machine. Surely, it’s important to listen to the people who are directly affected by the events they experience? We don’t have to wait for Jeremy Bowen** sending his dispatches from Jerusalem, having to carefully watch his words, lest he accuse the Israelis of actual participation in a war that they are engaged in and that the US, UK and EU governments are actively enabling. Or Israeli spokespeople, to hear their accusations of anti-semitism towards anyone who questions their spinning of events.
We believed the reports from Israelis when Hamas attacked on the 7th October, and when, for example, 10 people were killed by Russian gunfire whilst waiting in a queue for bread. So why not the Palestinians?
*Around 120 reporters and press photographers (as well as many, many members of their families) have been killed by Israel so far. That there has been so little reporting about this is saddening and deeply shaming for the press in the West.
**I’m not attacking Jeremy Bowen here, for not reporting from Gaza. Western journalists are prevented from reporting from Gaza by Israel, because it’s too dangerous! Indeed, 55 journalists have sent an open letter calling on Israel and Egypt to provide "free and unfettered access to Gaza for all foreign media".
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Ah sorry, apologies. I only dip in and out, as I'm not on here 24/7.Perhaps read back on the thread and you will realise why people on NSC, including myself bother to comment on here now or very little. Everything you said in your post above, I and a few others have said hundreds of times over