mejonaNO12 aka riskit
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How have we managed to cock up a situation where we discuss a war and how we would like people to stop dying and come out looking like the bellends. It's almost impressive in it's uselessness
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[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...
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A mex eyecan
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- Nov 3, 2011
- 3,319
maybe so mate, but having a really, really tough time right now dealing with 93 and 94 year old M and D, battling dementia, loss of mobility, forgetting who his family were, didn’t have a clue who I am this morning. Tomorrow I have the pleasure of telling him he has to go into a care home as Mum just can’t cope with him any longer as she’s expecting to have a terminal cancer diagnosed any day now.
Felling really low, guilty and like I’m betray8mg my dear old Dad. When I see what mid 90’s looks like I don’t think I want any part of it for myself.
** Edit, sorry all, most likely completely the wrong thread to have posted this on.
Soton Seagull
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The Westminster bubble at its self indulgent worst. Manged to make a farce out of a serious matter.
I don't buy in to them all being as bad as each other, but today they need their heads banged together and take a long hard look at themselves. Behaving like insolent school children.
I don't buy in to them all being as bad as each other, but today they need their heads banged together and take a long hard look at themselves. Behaving like insolent school children.
chickens
Intending to survive this time of asset strippers
- Oct 12, 2022
- 1,866
Any thread is the right thread in a situation like that. A tough one to share, but I hope you’re glad you have. My best wishes for you and your family.
It’s hard to put a parent in a home but we did it for my Stepdad when his dementia got bad and for him, it was the best thing to do. For all concerned. And you have peace of mind that he’s getting the 24hr care he is going to need.
It’s hard at first but he’ll soon settle in and you’ll all get used to the idea.
All the very best.
All pantomime farce
TomandJerry
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- Oct 1, 2013
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aolstudios
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Spot on.
Painful but absolutely right
clapham_gull
Legacy Fan
- Aug 20, 2003
- 25,339
Nothing to apologise for.
Many of us have been there or are there now.
The others will have to face it at some point.
Crack on.
Sorry to hear that. No apology needed; please accept my sympathy for your deeply moving and impossible dilemma.
de la zouch
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- Jul 12, 2007
- 391
To see this chaos on the day that the report came out on Hamas rapes…
Beth Rigby
@BethRigby
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On the matter on pressure on Speaker. Am told that many MPs made a personal pleas to Sir Lindsay about amendments. MPs' have growing concerns for personal safety after incidents of confrontations & protests over the Israel-Hamas war.
Those peaceful protests again, police should have nipped the fringe element of those protests in the bud when it first started.
A mex eyecan
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- Nov 3, 2011
- 3,319
thanks everyone.
may lose myself in a couple of rather large malts this evening. A toast to Mum and cheers to Dad. what wonderful parents they are
may lose myself in a couple of rather large malts this evening. A toast to Mum and cheers to Dad. what wonderful parents they are
Greenbag50
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- Jun 1, 2016
- 387
This is the UK Parliament which today, was asked to change what it was asked to vote on. It was technically the opposition day (SNP, Labour ho are further left than Labour) time.
This left Labour in a tricky situation as their vote would be split between the hard left SNP amendment on Gaza on tbe ceasefire.
The speaker decided ( remember that he is a Labour MP) and against the advice of his chief clerk in the Commons), to allow the Labour amendment to be voted on. Some might say he was pressured into it by Labour whips, but I don’t buy that, at all.
The reasoning to this change was that some Labour MP’s have felt threatened and have received threats on their position on the Ceasefire.
There is currently a protest in Parliament square in support of Palestine.
Democracy cannot be influenced by threats to our elected representatives.
Labour are trying to keep their big tent intact before a big Palestinian hole appears in it.
The result is no votes were taken.
Speaker was forced into an apology due to breaking Parliament protocol to accommodate an amendment he shouldn't have accommodated.
The biggest impact in all of this is our Parliament and elected representatives time is being used and distracted by a conflict 2000 miles away and has no bearing at all on the outcome of what’s happening between the Israel and Hamas.
This left Labour in a tricky situation as their vote would be split between the hard left SNP amendment on Gaza on tbe ceasefire.
The speaker decided ( remember that he is a Labour MP) and against the advice of his chief clerk in the Commons), to allow the Labour amendment to be voted on. Some might say he was pressured into it by Labour whips, but I don’t buy that, at all.
The reasoning to this change was that some Labour MP’s have felt threatened and have received threats on their position on the Ceasefire.
There is currently a protest in Parliament square in support of Palestine.
Democracy cannot be influenced by threats to our elected representatives.
Labour are trying to keep their big tent intact before a big Palestinian hole appears in it.
The result is no votes were taken.
Speaker was forced into an apology due to breaking Parliament protocol to accommodate an amendment he shouldn't have accommodated.
The biggest impact in all of this is our Parliament and elected representatives time is being used and distracted by a conflict 2000 miles away and has no bearing at all on the outcome of what’s happening between the Israel and Hamas.
A total shit show all round.
The SNP keen to show up divisions on Labour put just enough unacceptable language into an amendment, the Tories who would never have agreed to it walk out with them, Hoyle makes an awful decision, the right wing press spin it as pressure from Labour (every MP comes under similar pressure from whips at some point) and Labour veer from “outrage” to celebration.
Meanwhile civilians in Gaza keep dying.
It’s all a bloody mess.
Let’s be clear the story should be that the UK Parliament today passed a motion calling for a ceasefire and the wording was largely unanimously agreed across all parties, including the Tories. That’s unquestionably, in my opinion, a good thing.
But getting there was a total, total farce. Too much of a focus, on all sides, on petty squabbles and bickering, desperation to create wedges for a coming election and on protocol over action. Claims and counterclaims against each other. The fact that the (let’s be honest, very real and worrying) threat from people outside politics toward elected MPs is starting to influence the political system and the functioning of it. And the Speaker of them house now, in my opinion, being untenable in his position.
The system needs a thorough pipe clean. An election. A new speaker. Just a complete factory reset. Because it can’t keep going on like this.
Let’s be clear the story should be that the UK Parliament today passed a motion calling for a ceasefire and the wording was largely unanimously agreed across all parties, including the Tories. That’s unquestionably, in my opinion, a good thing.
But getting there was a total, total farce. Too much of a focus, on all sides, on petty squabbles and bickering, desperation to create wedges for a coming election and on protocol over action. Claims and counterclaims against each other. The fact that the (let’s be honest, very real and worrying) threat from people outside politics toward elected MPs is starting to influence the political system and the functioning of it. And the Speaker of them house now, in my opinion, being untenable in his position.
The system needs a thorough pipe clean. An election. A new speaker. Just a complete factory reset. Because it can’t keep going on like this.
portlock seagull
Why? Why us?
- Jul 28, 2003
- 17,131
As do IDF soldiers, Hamas terrorists (good thing) and Israeli hostages.
Greenbag50
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- Jun 1, 2016
- 387
The key point for me is the reason Labour MP’s wanted the amendment is due to threats from the public on abstaining from an SNP vote in November in the ceasefire.
Democracy in any country cannot be bullied by intimidating MP’s into voting one way or another by threats of violence.
This can’t be tolerated, otherwise it’s not democracy.
Democracy in any country cannot be bullied by intimidating MP’s into voting one way or another by threats of violence.
This can’t be tolerated, otherwise it’s not democracy.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 35,315
trying to understand this: Labour MPs have been threaten, so Hoyle on his own decides to break protocol to put the Labour amendment first, so they can vote in favour. presumably to register their vote in favour of a non-SNP specified ceasfire declaration. and this is considered a good response to threats. hmmm.
No criticism for emoting, mate. So sorry that you have to deal with this. I have my own challenge at the moment, which it too complicated and unpleasant to go into. Staying alive is (whatever it is Dyche says about) maximum effort and minimum requirement for me for the next year. Keep you nose above the waterline
