I also think he’ll hang on if he can, but I also think his ego won’t handle being toppled and he’ll want to lead the party in the campaign. If that means bringing that forward, then he’ll do that.
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[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...
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This is now a far more important subject for discussion. We are not a democracy (or at least not a functioning one) if less than 40% of the electorate are engaged enough to vote.
I believe PR is essential so that everyone feels their vote counts, but in the short term we all need to be able to trust the political class. A good enough reason to vote Labour but I’m not convinced there is anyone in the Westminster sewer that is what a normal person would call ‘honest’
mikeyjh
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This article has probably been often quoted but I'll do it again:- https://www.theguardian.com/educati...s-boris-johnson-sad-little-boys-richard-beard
Sunak will believe that he is right, and we are wrong (or rather, irrelevant), he is conditioned to do so. Like his predecessor but one, they will never doubt their own abilities and thoughts.
TomandJerry
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I don't think Rishi is at the levels of BJ.
BJ had to be forced out squealing by the men in grey suits
- Oct 17, 2008
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Well that's certainly damning with faint praise
From my experience supreme confidence based on no knowledge or experience is a common trait that is encouraged amongst the 'better' public schools. Rishi hadn't even been an MP for 5 years when Johnson made him Chancellor.
I think you're right about Sunak, but from what I understand, he is still way beyond May and even Cameron in his complete belief that he is right and everyone else is wrong. (I also heard some great stories of Kwarteng being positively Bendtneresque in that regard
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It's hilarious
Tories getting a pumping and reform getting smashed as well, whilst taking a good number of votes off the Tories.
Tories getting a pumping and reform getting smashed as well, whilst taking a good number of votes off the Tories.
Nobby
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This is what continues to worry me.
Who will they vote for when they can be bothered to vote.
- Oct 17, 2008
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Well, the Tories being smashed part is definitely true. Not sure about Reform getting smashed though, they’ve had their best by-election results ever and finished a comfortable third, way ahead of the Libs or Greens combined, neither of which kept their deposit.
I’d love them to **** off, but there is no denying they are taking votes from disillusioned Tories on the right and will gain seats at the GE.
- Jul 10, 2003
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Jeez,
Shows the indifference to Labour and the dislike of Tories by their own voters.
I imagine a decent chunk of people couldn't be bothered to vote with another election within months.
I expect the Tories will see reform and think they need to chase the votes and ignore the fact that some people might be voting Tory while holding their nose but if they go further right then they will lose people at the other end.
- Oct 17, 2008
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Historically the Tory vote is underestimated by pollsters. They’re going to lose big regardless this time out, but staunch Tory voters tend to “vote silently”.
So - Labour haven't done very well, because they 'failed' to get over 50% of the vote. In a safe Tory constituency!
I'm not so sure about that. Wellingborough is one of the most "Brexity" constituencies in the country and they got nowhere near winning. They'd have to boost their vote considerably to win any seats
They will be upset with the result number wise, there was talk of them realistically getting second.
They were advertising themselves as the real Tory party
I can't see them getting a seat at the election, I imagine the vote will drop off when it comes to the election, Rishi will carry on pushing the vote for reform is a vote for Labour, whilst the combined numbers don't over take Labour in last nights results, they make it a lot closer.
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Bonkers isn’t it!
- Oct 17, 2008
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The voting context of a GE is very different to that of a by-election - we shall have to see. You could be right.
There was the same sort of noise around UKIP, they ended up getting 1 seat.
Is that true? Didn’t the last two exit polls nail it within a handful of seats?