Load of nonsense. The existing laws and cards are sufficient. The only issue is their woeful application. They should concentrate their efforts on this.
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[Football] New blue card and 10 mins in sin-bin
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Colonel Mustard
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- Jun 18, 2023
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I’d like to think this sort of idea is part of improving the application of the laws. If players gradually become better behaved this will happen. Remember the horrendous tackles we used to see back in the 60s, 70s, 80s? That’s largely been eliminated through new sanctions available to the ref. Let’s hope this happens with dissent and cynical fouls.
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
No thanks …keep it simple and enforce existing rules
studio150
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When the 10 minutes is up, can the player immediately run back onto the pitch, or do they have to wait for the referee to wave them back on.
Will the TV match team be looking to do interviews with the players while they are in the sin bin.
Will the TV match team be looking to do interviews with the players while they are in the sin bin.
Dorset Seagull
Once Dolphin, Now Seagull
Dont worry it will only be 2 minutes. The other 8 will be head injuries, cramp, keeper taking goal kicks etc etc
- Oct 20, 2022
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Not to send people off (unless it is the second)
I think the blue cards could work well if applied in clear and limited circumstances. They are already used in grassroots football. Refs can be very reticent to issue second yellow cards and even more reticent to issue a red, even when it is deserved - A blue gives a soft option for sending off and will be a good deterrent against professional fouls and time-consuming dissent - a useful disciplinary tool when players not yet on a yellow card flout the rules to disrupt a clear scoring opportunity, knowing the benefits are more than the punishment. Frankly the level of dissent by players at nearly every booking is making the game ungovernable at times too and eats up important minutes as well as being intimidating for the ref.
Can see refs getting all fingers and thumbs though trying to pull the right colour card out of his shorts - another pocket maybe - or yellow in left, blue in right, red in back, pen and match card in top shirt pocket -
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No idea, but that would be a great excuse to pretend it’s yellow and not leave the field
METALMICKY
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- Jan 30, 2004
- 6,089
Very much this. We seem intent on spoiling the game further by again finding the rubbish cure for no actual known disease. The rules were fine but it's simply the standard of officiating that has hit rock bottom.
The rate were going it will be like American football with flags on the play and announcing every decision to the crowd.
Reffing / football in general needs to be thought of similarly to other professions imo. If you changed the rules / policies in your business every single year, and not just one but quite a few at a time, the staff would find it confusing, lose some confidence in themselves and performance would dip as a consequence.
No different to reffing. It’s no coincidence that the standard is always most shite for the first month or two of the season, before reverting to old (still shit) but not so shit ways later in the season.
Just give them a few seasons with the same rules and let them practise and analyse their performances based on those rules. Surely that’s the best way to improve their performance in the long run. The games not broken (with regards to the rules), stop trying to fix it.
No different to reffing. It’s no coincidence that the standard is always most shite for the first month or two of the season, before reverting to old (still shit) but not so shit ways later in the season.
Just give them a few seasons with the same rules and let them practise and analyse their performances based on those rules. Surely that’s the best way to improve their performance in the long run. The games not broken (with regards to the rules), stop trying to fix it.
- Apr 5, 2014
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Yes, 100%
Been droaning on about it for ages. Rugby is light years ahead on this stuff.
I believe that diving to get a foul in the penalty box should be a blue card offence along with a number of others- especially dissent and trying to influence the ref.
Bring it on.
Been droaning on about it for ages. Rugby is light years ahead on this stuff.
I believe that diving to get a foul in the penalty box should be a blue card offence along with a number of others- especially dissent and trying to influence the ref.
Bring it on.
When this comes in they need to also introduce the stop start clock to prevent cheating. I like it.
Next thing to copy from hockey is the self pass rule. It is absolutely ridiculous that you can’t just take a free kick to yourself and dribble it. Why should the attacking team be penalised by one player effectively ruled out of the game. If a player is fouled. They should be able to spot the ball and dribble. If the player doesn’t get out of their way then it is sin bin. Sorted. It makes hockey so much quicker than back when I played. It is great.
Next thing to copy from hockey is the self pass rule. It is absolutely ridiculous that you can’t just take a free kick to yourself and dribble it. Why should the attacking team be penalised by one player effectively ruled out of the game. If a player is fouled. They should be able to spot the ball and dribble. If the player doesn’t get out of their way then it is sin bin. Sorted. It makes hockey so much quicker than back when I played. It is great.
US Seagull
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From what I'm reading, a yellow + a blue is still a red. So in the situation where a player already is on a yellow, where the ref might be reticent to issue a second yellow, a blue would effectively be exactly the same.Not to send people off (unless it is the second)
I think the blue cards could work well if applied in clear and limited circumstances. They are already used in grassroots football. Refs can be very reticent to issue second yellow cards and even more reticent to issue a red, even when it is deserved - A blue gives a soft option for sending off and will be a good deterrent against professional fouls and time dissent - a useful disciplinary tool when players not yet on a yellow card flout the rules to disrupt a clear scoring opportunity, knowing the benefits are more than the punishment. Frankly the level of dissent by players at nearly every booking is making the game ungovernable at times too and eats up important minutes as well as being intimidating for the ref.
Can see refs getting all fingers and thumbs though trying to pull the right colour card out of his shorts - another pocket maybe - or yellow in left, blue in right, red in back, pen and match card in top shirt pocket -
Although I agree that particular situation (player on a yellow does something that is fairly minor, but should call for a second yellow by the strict rules of the game) would be the perfect situation for a sin bin. IMHO. It seems harsh to send off a player because they kicked the ball away in a moment of frustration while already on a yellow. But telling them to go sit their ass down for 10 minutes seems like a much more proportional punishment.
Of course, I guess maybe the idea is that players know that a ref generally doesn't like to give out a second yellow for anything short or particularly egregious behavior, so they see the first yellow as a "freebie". If that first yellow was blue instead, or at least could potentially be blue, they might think twice about it.
American Seagle
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- Jun 14, 2022
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Most of those examples already exist though.
pornomagboy
wake me up before you gogo who needs potter when
do goal keepers get it for constantly time-wasting if so villa will be screwed
Looks too much like a bus pass?
seagullwedgee
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- Aug 9, 2005
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If there’s 8 minutes added time left, and you’re 2 goals up, just get your entire team sin binned with blue cards. The oppo would be able to walk one goal into the open net, but then theres no-one to take the kick off so the game ends and you win by one. Brilliant.
Baldseagull
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I like your devious tactical thinking, but I would hate to see it.
Easy 10
Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Its a stupid idea. Sin-binned teams will just go into parking the bus till they get their player back, which is hardly going to improve the spectacle for anyone.
Plus it'll only cause more injuries, as the guy left kicking his heels is left cold from the game before coming back on. Get ready for Olise-CENTRAL.
WHY do they have to keep f*cking about with things ?
Plus it'll only cause more injuries, as the guy left kicking his heels is left cold from the game before coming back on. Get ready for Olise-CENTRAL.
WHY do they have to keep f*cking about with things ?