I doubt he has any interest in borrowing anyone's open mind.
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[Politics] Donald Trump 2024
- Thread starter Zeberdi
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Quite.
In the thirties even Hitler looked to the Germans like something new and exciting. But....Trump?
HalfaSeatOn
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America is already in a form of civil war and yes, the storming of the Capitol is a symptom - when there is no longer a peaceful transference of power in a nation state, the conditions for civil war are already becoming evident. If Trump gets elected, it is removing him from power this time round that may prove to be the final trigger.
I don’t know whether you looked at the guardian article I linked to ( posted again below) - ‘Civil war’ doesn’t necessarily mean two opposing armies fighting in the streets - it can simply mean the institutions of the State are no longer respected or upheld - and political differences are resolved by violence rather than debate or electoral mandate - that is already happening to a degree. I would say that could get much worse if Trump did not get elected - ( but if he did, that man will happily lead the world to hell in a basket just to satisfy his vanity and narcissistic needs.)
The next US civil war is already here – we just refuse to see it | The far right | The Guardian
The right has recognized that the system is in collapse, and it has a plan: violence and solidarity with treasonous far-right factionsamp.theguardian.com
this came over in this programme ‘Trump - The Return’ I’ve just watched.
pb21
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- Apr 23, 2010
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Good point, I guess not no.
I expect though that will be due to Trump being prevented from doing what he wanted by the deep state, the swamp, the MSN and the WEF and that he needs another 4 years to get it sorted.
BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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If it wasn't an insurrection, what was it?
Brightonfan1983
Tiny member
Have a word with yourself!
I anticipate an answer that a Trump cultist would give. Like Brexit it will be based on emotional conviction rather than evidence.
Brightonfan1983
Tiny member
Well he certainly didn't pocket as much money from foreign states as he'd've liked to have done, so there's that too.
Early call of Trump as winner of Iowa Caucuses stirs anger. Here's why it happened
The Associated Press explained how it declared Donald Trump the early winner. But candidates and Iowans were angry.
BadFish
Huge Member
- Oct 19, 2003
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Don't know why I asked really, the poster has a track record of flawed logic and thinking and has shown a lack of ability to judge sources and information with his 'I don't trust main stream media' nonsense.
Little expectation of anything worthwhile.
Brightonfan1983
Tiny member
- which is the scary part for me. If it was all over politics, and ideas and visions, doing the best for the country, then all well and good. Someone I read said the R party is now a 'movement', not a party.
Sam Kinison once asked why it was just the people who tried to do good get killed. Jesus, JFK, Martin Luther King, Sadat... I think about that a lot!
Seagull58
In the Algarve
Oh FFS. You can see his post on Truth Social if you have the inclination. You are in a cult.
Brightonfan1983
Tiny member
I don't really understand their election cycles and caucuses etc, but wasn't the Iowa vote the same as asking a load of Brighton fans in, say, Peacehaven, to vote for who they want as their manager next season? Chances are it'd be RdZ.
So I don't get why people are getting so excited.
- Oct 20, 2022
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Not at all - The press will always call a mathematical result when they know it before all votes are in - they do with a general election too and they will do it with the Primaries. They aren’t declaring Trump to be Republican Presidential Candidate, the caucuses didn’t do that, just that Trump got the most votes in Iowa and therefore he gets the most delegates for Iowa at the Republican Party Convention in July 2024. The nominee for each Presidential Candidate will be voted on at the republican and democrat Conventions by all the delegates voted in from 48 States’ Primaries or caucuses .
Although again, the press will declare the nominees ahead of the Conventions since once all the Primaries and Caucuses results are in, which are well covered by the media, the Candidate with the most support going into the Conventions will be known. It would be a major upset if either of the Conventions voted against a Candidate with the most delegates.
In Iowa - Polls of declared voting intentions of those planning to attend the caucuses and early returns were already enough to show Trump had an insurmountable lead in Iowa, regardless of the final count since the weather had resulted in a low turn out - calling the result early didn’t impact in any way on the final result.
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Greg Bobkin
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- May 22, 2012
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I honestly don't have a clue what led you to post all that, because it's got nothing to do with the point I was trying to make
I was referring to the fact that people seem to be declaring Trump the next president. When, just this afternoon, I saw two polls that put Biden ahead.
- Oct 20, 2022
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Sorry - I didn’t read back on what you were responding to - the last posts I had read about declaring too early were all about declaring the Iowa caucus results too early (relating to the press) and someone quoted you also referring to the Iowa caucuses not the General Election. Miscommunication?I honestly don't have a clue what led you to post all that, because it's got nothing to do with the point I was trying to make
I was referring to the fact that people seem to be declaring Trump the next president. When, just this afternoon, I saw two polls that put Biden ahead.
Who was calling Trump to be the new President after the caucuses? - I think people are just saying it is very possible he may beat Biden but it will almost certainly be a Biden-Trump race again unless one of them falls ill/drops out.
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Greg Bobkin
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- May 22, 2012
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Loads of people - on here and elsewhere - seem to think it's a dead cert because of the result in Iowa.
Brightonfan1983
Tiny member
I still don't understand - (and I know I could go to Wikipedia but it sounds like you could explain it better) -
What's a caucus? Do we have an equivalent?
Who or what are delegates? And why is it good to have a lot of them?
Who or what's a nominee? Sounds like they're deputy for the actual candidate?
And don't get me started on the election-proper and the electoral college votes...
Mental Lental
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Yeah some real Chicken Licken "sky is falling!" stuff on here. He's still got to get a constitutionally changing decision from the Supreme Court to even be allowed on the ballot in the first place. Then despite the American right wing media crowing about poll numbers and "red waves".....Where it really matters at the ballot box....Reps just keep on losing to Dems. DeSantis' old seat in Florida just flipped blue which is a major coup for Florida Democrats. Although this story got lost among all the "Trump wins in Trumpland!" headlines about what was always gonna be a foregone conclusion. Nikki Haley's New Hampshire numbers have got him worried to the point where he's having meltdowns on Truth Social and using racial slurs. Although I still think he'll win there.
We still have lots of juicy discovery phases on his myriad court cases. The NY fraud decision is due before the end of the month where he'll see most of his money gone and banned from doing business in New York. That alone could cause him to have an aneurysm.
Fingers crossed.