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Mar 16, 2005
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I see that the email that the lucky winners received, referred to a bottle of CHAMPAGNE. That is clearly NOT French CHAMPAGNE, from CHAMPAGNE in FRANCE, but a poor substitute of some (award-winning, high end, locally produced) English fizz.

#BarberOUT #EverybodyOUT :angry:
 


Bozza

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Jul 4, 2003
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I see that the email that the lucky winners received, referred to a bottle of CHAMPAGNE. That is clearly NOT French CHAMPAGNE, from CHAMPAGNE in FRANCE, but a poor substitute of some (award-winning, high end, locally produced) English fizz.

#BarberOUT #EverybodyOUT :angry:
As a point of order and because you, Sir, possess world-class pedantry skills, there's no need to say *French* Champagne is there?
 








Lenny Rider

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Sep 15, 2010
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I see that the email that the lucky winners received, referred to a bottle of CHAMPAGNE. That is clearly NOT French CHAMPAGNE, from CHAMPAGNE in FRANCE, but a poor substitute of some (award-winning, high end, locally produced) English fizz.

#BarberOUT #EverybodyOUT :angry:
Hans, correct me if I'm wrong, (and you will ;)) I was always under the impression that the only Champagne was from a specific region in France, everyone else had to refer to their product initially as 'Sparkling wine', then add whatever name they saw fit, so is Proseco clearly a trading name?
 


BNthree

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Hans, correct me if I'm wrong, (and you will ;)) I was always under the impression that the only Champagne was from a specific region in France, everyone else had to refer to their product initially as 'Sparkling wine', then add whatever name they saw fit, so is Proseco clearly a trading name?

Prosecco has to be from a specific geographic region and use a particular type of grape. It’s made using a different technique than champagne though so it’s possible to get sparkling, semi-sparkling and even still Prosecco (this is why a dry cava is a better wine than Prosecco if you want cheap fizz).
 




DavidinSouthampton

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Hans, correct me if I'm wrong, (and you will ;)) I was always under the impression that the only Champagne was from a specific region in France, everyone else had to refer to their product initially as 'Sparkling wine', then add whatever name they saw fit, so is Proseco clearly a trading name?
Yes you’re right. I just googled “Champagne Wine Region”, and it says the boundaries of it are very clearly and legally defined. I couldn’t be bothered to go further, but the main cities are Reims and Epernay.

sparkling wines from other bits of France are often called “Cremant de…..” - Bourgogne, Alsace, Loire and so on. We have some lifelong friends in Alsace from a wine producing family (in the past) who maintained that other bits of France produce Sparkling wine which is just as good as Champagne - they would say that, wouldn’t they. I’m not a wine expert, but I have had some very nice Cremants in my time.

One thing to look out for is how it’s produced. Methode Champenoise (or equivalent in other languages) means it has undergone a second fermentation in the bottle. If you don’t see that, it’s artificially gasified….. like a soda stream. I quite honestly don’t know if Prosecco is produced in this way….. or Cava. It probably varies from producer to producer.

I must rush, I’m just off to find and join the Dull Men’s Club Facebook group.
 


Bombardier

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Jul 22, 2004
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Prosecco has to be from a specific geographic region and use a particular type of grape. It’s made using a different technique than champagne though so it’s possible to get sparkling, semi-sparkling and even still Prosecco (this is why a dry cava is a better wine than Prosecco if you want cheap fizz).
Personally, the home grown sparkling wine is pretty damn good. There are some very decent vineyards and all producing top notch fizz. Rather pricey but having had Champagne recently I would say champagne is not as good and the French know it. That said, I have yet to enjoy a Red produced in this country. Will continue to stick to other continents.
 






BNthree

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Sep 14, 2016
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One thing to look out for is how it’s produced. Methode Champenoise (or equivalent in other languages) means it has undergone a second fermentation in the bottle. If you don’t see that, it’s artificially gasified….. like a soda stream. I quite honestly don’t know if Prosecco is produced in this way….. or Cava. It probably varies from producer to producer.

Most cheap Prosecco is artificially gasified while I think all cava has a second fermentation in the bottle like champagne does. There is some high end cava that is easily as good as Champagne.
 


Bob!

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Jul 5, 2003
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Prosecco has to be from a specific geographic region and use a particular type of grape. It’s made using a different technique than champagne though so it’s possible to get sparkling, semi-sparkling and even still Prosecco (this is why a dry cava is a better wine than Prosecco if you want cheap fizz).

Isn't the region for Prosecco the whole of Italy?
and for Cava it's Spain?
 












BNthree

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Sep 14, 2016
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Isn't the region for Prosecco the whole of Italy?
and for Cava it's Spain?

Looked it up:

from wiki

"a large area spanning nine provinces in the Veneto and Friuli Venezia Giulia regions, and named after the village of Prosecco, which is in the province of Trieste, Italy"

"About 95% of all cava is produced in the Penedès area in Catalonia, Spain, with the village of Sant Sadurní d'Anoia being home to many of the largest Catalan production houses.[2]: 144–145  The two major producers are Codorníu and Freixenet. Cava is also produced in other villages in the provinces of Girona, Lleida, Tarragona, and Barcelona in Catalonia, Zaragoza in Aragon, Badajoz in Extremadura, La Rioja, Araba/Álava in the Basque Country, Navarra and València in the Valencian Community" (so most of Spain!)"
 








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