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Sheebo · May 26, 2023

Randy McNob said:
I think we're quite far apart here, I did watch the first clip which was just a pointless argument rather than an objective debate, but everyone knows Piers Morgan is a Murdoch stooge who is paid to peddle a right wing agenda which includes climate change scepticism, so it adds nothing valuable to the national debate. But it's not just this silly channel but the entire media output, like Jeremy Vine, GMB, BBC. They will have on one side an expert on climate change and on the other side a climate sceptic so the debate quickly turns into whether climate change even exists which is completely pointless, but these blohards are just more Murdoch stooges paid to infultrate the media outlets, muddy the water and portray themselves as the voice of the majority when they are actually the voice of the big oil and energy corps - those corps who made billions in profits while the rest of us had our bills go up 6 fold.

Know your enemy

Still a lot of assumptions and opinions there… Can’t a debate just be a debate with facts without a conspiracy theory of who they’re ‘peddling’ for - maybe it’s just their opinion

The only debate mainly in it is the stupid law breaking protests - not the need for change, which I think we are implementing, albeit a bit later then needed and yes, via a shit government and greedy oil companies. I think all of us totally get that. The point is disrupting normal peoples’ lives isn’t helping the cause for me and millions of others. They also don’t seem to work on the whole - which is completely hypocritical and they’re part of the problem as they’re not paying into society.

Randy McNob · May 26, 2023

The Clamp said:
The demonising of these so called “lefty protestors” is designed to make gullible people think the world is turning loony left when in fact it has never been more right wing and regressive.
It’s the same with the war on woke.
All designed to cover up the drastic lurch to the right that western governments have made in the last ten years.

Many people are falling for it. And that’s why a Tory win at the next GE should not be ruled out.

Precisely. Amazing how far we've come recently that protecting the planet, the air we breath and future food supply is some crackpot lefty ideology ! But they've done a great job at convincing the public that people shouldn't have the right to protest, a cornerstone of a functioning democracy. Just look at France, they try and take away their rights like raise the retirement age from 64 and they ALL take to the streets in soldarity. Here, we are sleepwalking into an authoritarian state because they use the power of the media to create apathy and convince enough people that these issues don't affect them

Stat Brother · May 26, 2023

Randy McNob said:
Precisely. Amazing how far we've come recently that protecting the planet, the air we breath and future food supply is some crackpot lefty ideology ! But they've done a great job at convincing the public that people shouldn't have the right to protest, a cornerstone of a functioning democracy. Just look at France, they try and take away their rights like raise the retirement age from 64 and they ALL take to the streets in soldarity. Here, we are sleepwalking into an authoritarian state because they use the power of the media to create apathy and convince enough people that these issues don't affect them

Yep cries of 'breaking the law' seem a little hollow when the laws in question are only a couple of weeks old and specifically designed to stop and demonize one pressure group.

I'm not entirely sure that's how a democratic government is supposed to work.

jcdenton08 · May 26, 2023

Stat Brother said:
Yep cries of 'breaking the law' seem a little hollow when the laws in question are only a couple of weeks old and specifically designed to stop and demonize one pressure group.

I'm not entirely sure that's how a democratic government is supposed to work.

Breaching the peace isn’t a new law.

Stat Brother · May 26, 2023

jcdenton08 said:
Breaching the peace isn’t a new law.

So the Karens, cabbies, builders, and red faced gammons should probably stop doing it when confronted by a peaceful protest.

beorhthelm · May 26, 2023

Randy McNob said:
Precisely. Amazing how far we've come recently that protecting the planet, the air we breath and future food supply is some crackpot lefty ideology ! But they've done a great job at convincing the public that people shouldn't have the right to protest, a cornerstone of a functioning democracy. Just look at France, they try and take away their rights like raise the retirement age from 64 and they ALL take to the streets in soldarity. Here, we are sleepwalking into an authoritarian state because they use the power of the media to create apathy and convince enough people that these issues don't affect them

topical bringing up actions abroad. this morning French police tear gassed protestors at TotalEnergies AGM. saw last week a group blocking roads in Germany were broken up and arrested. here we call it authoritarian to ask protestors to not block roads, and arrest anyone removing them.

The Clamp · May 26, 2023

jcdenton08 said:
Breaching the peace isn’t a new law.

“Potential to intend to cause a nuisance” is though.

Sheebo · May 26, 2023

jcdenton08 said:
Breaching the peace isn’t a new law.

nor is criminal damage - but they’re never wrong - the law only matters when it suits. But they struggle to answer simple yes or no questions on the disruption. It’s fine to go into supermarkets and pour milk all over the floor. Really fine and nothing wrong with it. The competition for who can be the most ‘cool left’ and ‘out there’ will always be an NSC thing. No such thing as right or left really is there…

I prefer the use your brain path… I also like people who work and pay into society personally but there ya go - that’s so right wing I guess

Randy McNob · May 26, 2023

jcdenton08 · May 26, 2023

Stat Brother said:
So the Karens, cabbies, builders, and red faced gammons should probably stop doing it when confronted by a peaceful protest.

Were people not grizzling about protestors being labelled “loony lefties” just a few posts ago? Now you’re throwing out terms like Karens, and gammons without a trace of irony.

Peaceful protests should be just that - peaceful. Organised, legal and not breaching the peace. Deliberately stopping traffic, including emergency services, is a direct breach of the peace and incitement to riot, when inevitably lives are lost due to their criminality.

Peacefully protesting is not causing criminal damage (throwing powder on snooker tables, damaging artwork) it is not intentionally trying to cause a loss of life by wilfully blocking ambulances attempting to save lives, preventing nurses and doctors from driving to work, and inciting criminal activity from others via social media.

Standing appropriately in a pedestrian thoroughfare, having informed the police and council of their intentions to stage a peaceful, legal protest is not what are they doing. They are intentionally causing maximum disruption in order to gain exposure, much of which crosses over comfortably into firmly illegal territory.

Their sponsors pay the mercenary for hire element appropriately, and they look for the next gig, at a LGBTQ+ protest, or BLM rally. Whoever pays them well enough and covers their court costs and fines.

jcdenton08 · May 26, 2023

The Clamp said:
“Potential to intend to cause a nuisance” is though.

I am thoroughly against the legislation, which limits people’s fundamental right to peaceably protest in what is meant to be a democracy. My sympathy is lost when criminal acts are celebrated and actioned by those funding their cause. Protest, yes. Criminal acts because the world is unfair, no.

Sheebo · May 26, 2023

jcdenton08 said:
I am thoroughly against the legislation, which limits people’s fundamental right to peaceably protest in what is meant to be a democracy. My sympathy is lost when criminal acts are celebrated and actioned by those funding their cause. Protest, yes. Criminal acts because the world is unfair, no.

Stop putting it in such simple terms. You need to use obscure words that nobody really knows the meaning of to get your point across. You also then sound smarter and can smuggly look down on the ‘working class following the crowd’ to validate that your point is better. The gammons and Karens all support the bad side but don’t mention tree hugging or it’s offensive. And the definition of a peaceful protest has now changed to ‘break the law and cause havoc to innocent people’ due to it suiting their agenda. Do keep up.

Thunder Bolt · May 26, 2023

jcdenton08 said:
Breaching the peace isn’t a new law.

It’s a funny one.

This is not actually a criminal offence, and you cannot be charged with it. However, the police can arrest someone who has, or is about to, “breach the peace”. The arrest must be based on removing the threat of this breach.

Often, someone who has been found to have been Breaching the Peace, are bound over for a specific time to keep the peace.

The protestors are being arrested on Public Order Acts.

nicko31 · May 26, 2023

Randy McNob said:
Precisely. Amazing how far we've come recently that protecting the planet, the air we breath and future food supply is some crackpot lefty ideology ! But they've done a great job at convincing the public that people shouldn't have the right to protest, a cornerstone of a functioning democracy. Just look at France, they try and take away their rights like raise the retirement age from 64 and they ALL take to the streets in soldarity. Here, we are sleepwalking into an authoritarian state because they use the power of the media to create apathy and convince enough people that these issues don't affect them

What amazes me is how people get the fit of the vapours when others act to stand up for what are basic human rights, yes we are the same species.

nicko31 · May 26, 2023

Thunder Bolt said:
It’s a funny one.

This is not actually a criminal offence, and you cannot be charged with it. However, the police can arrest someone who has, or is about to, “breach the peace”. The arrest must be based on removing the threat of this breach.

Often, someone who has been found to have been Breaching the Peace, are bound over for a specific time to keep the peace.

The protestors are being arrested on Public Order Acts.

And we have now suspicion-less stop and search.

Only takes an Albion loathing Palace supporting police officer spot your Seagulls sticker and he can demand you are strip searched. Welcome to authoritarian Britain

Badger Boy · May 26, 2023

Stat Brother said:
Yep cries of 'breaking the law' seem a little hollow when the laws in question are only a couple of weeks old and specifically designed to stop and demonize one pressure group.

I'm not entirely sure that's how a democratic government is supposed to work.

I'm sure the rest of your post was excellent too, but I was gone at breaking the law! Rock on, Stat!

jcdenton08 · May 26, 2023

Thunder Bolt said:
It’s a funny one.

This is not actually a criminal offence, and you cannot be charged with it. However, the police can arrest someone who has, or is about to, “breach the peace”. The arrest must be based on removing the threat of this breach.

Often, someone who has been found to have been Breaching the Peace, are bound over for a specific time to keep the peace.

The protestors are being arrested on Public Order Acts.

Interesting, thanks for the clarification. So they would be arrested, removed from the scene and made to promise to desist, then de-arrested?

keaton · May 26, 2023

sheebo said:
Not normally a Morgan fan but his recent interviews on gender and these protesters are brilliant - they literally cannot answer and don’t like anyone having different views to them. Fair play.

I'm not sure shouting your opinion and interrupting people is a great interview technique

Sheebo · May 26, 2023

keaton said:
I'm not sure shouting your opinion and interrupting people is a great interview technique

No mate, he was the guest, not the interviewer - can see what you mean though.

Stat Brother · May 26, 2023

Badger Boy said:
I'm sure the rest of your post was excellent too,

Doubt it - as said I'm very conflicted by JSO, I just about come down on their side, but they can make it difficult!!!

It's funny how those protesting the protesters can easily name each way they've gone about highlighting their cause.
Couple that with forcing the government to introduce 'whack-a-mole' legislation, this small group of looneys have generated quite some clout, something that wouldn't have happened were they protesting outside private airfields.

Naturally, for a hand knitted yogurt sandal wearer like myself, I loathe Farage, but him and JSO are two sides of the same coin.
Farage got what he wanted despite having no mandate from anyone, just by being a knob with a grudge against the Conservative party, got to respect that, irrespective of the turmoil.
Fingers crossed JSO can see it through too.

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